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Subject: Re: Another Test Move

Author: Art Basham

Date: 07:24:07 06/03/02

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Thanks, but in my original post I was not asking for
an "alternative move here" and the "best way to win"..etc.

My question was, what chess programs (if any) find the same move I played...
Re5..etc.

I pointed out that my RISC computor (10 years ago)
did play it at 8 ply deep...
and I was just wondering if any of the new programs today find this same
move..:-)

thanks again,
Art

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On June 03, 2002 at 10:11:32, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 03, 2002 at 09:00:05, Art Basham wrote:
>
>>On June 02, 2002 at 16:50:40, K. Burcham wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Art it seems Rac1 is the best move here.
>>>I think Qg5 also wins in this position.
>>>
>>> [D] r2r2k1/p1p2p2/1p2pPp1/7p/3P3Q/PbqP1N1P/5PPK/R3R3 w - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Deep Fritz:
>>>
>>>1.Rac1!
>>>  +-  (2.22)   Depth: 14/35   00:01:12  95384kN
>>>1.Rac1! Qxd3 2.Re3 Qf5 3.Rxb3 c5 4.dxc5 bxc5 5.Rb7 a5 6.Qg5 Rd5
>>>  +-  (2.88)   Depth: 14/36   00:02:02  163512kN
>>>1.Rac1!
>>>  +-  (3.19)   Depth: 15/35   00:03:04  245224kN
>>>1.Rac1!
>>>  +-  (3.50)   Depth: 16/37   00:05:34  445708kN
>>>1.Rac1! Qxd3 2.Re5 Rac8 3.Qf4 Kh7 4.Ng5+ Kg8 5.Ne4 Kf8 6.Qh6+ Ke8
>>
>>=================
>>
>>Thanks, but what you show us is that most chess computors have yet to learn the
>>"art of chess"....and the human touch of setting traps, etc.
>>
>>Did you play it out?
>>
>>After Re5, and then if QXR...,
>>
>>Rxh5 and mates in 5...!
>
>The program have no problem to see that QxR is losing
>
>I am sure that the move that they analyze when they analyze
>Re5 and do not play it is not Re5 QxR
>
>Probably they analyze Re5 Qxd3 and decide to reject Re5.
>Re5 Qxd3 Qf4 is winning for white but the same is for
>Rac1 Qxd3 Re5.
>
>>
>>Who is to say what is the "best move here"...?
>>
>>Just because a chess program does not see it, (Re5 for example)..
>>that does not mean that it was the
>> wrong move to make here...:-)
>>
>>Besides, some programs DO find it and play it...etc.
>
>The decision in which way to win is not important.
>
>Both Re5 and Rac1 win easily.
>
>Uri



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