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Subject: Re: Record forced-mate announcements? ' in 142

Author: Helmut Conrady

Date: 13:40:46 06/04/02

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On June 04, 2002 at 16:09:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 04, 2002 at 14:25:51, Helmut Conrady wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2002 at 12:56:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 04, 2002 at 08:43:27, Helmut Conrady wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 03, 2002 at 20:02:51, GuyHaworth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=339
>>>>>
>>>>>there is a report that in the 7th Round of the 2nd CSVN Computer chess
>>>>>tournament (Leiden), 'mate in 64' was announced against Morphy.
>>>>>
>>>>>The question was also asked:  "is this a record?" to which we might add....
>>>>>
>>>>>a)  in tournaments, and/or
>>>>>b)  in all computer-computer games
>>>>>
>>>>>Examples of deeper forced win announcements welcome.  I believe KNNKP has
>>>>>occured ... and maybe KQPKQ has occured.
>>>>>
>>>>>g
>>>>
>>>>The longest mate in a human otb-play I know arose in Landau-Abrahams,
>>>>Bournemouth 1939, with a # in 142 in this position:
>>>>
>>>>[D]6k1/5R2/K7/1n1nN3/8/8/8/8 b - - 0 78
>>>>
>>>>Helmut
>>>
>>>
>>>I think he was looking for "the longest _announced_ mate"...
>>
>>Of course. But I thought this would be interesting, too...
>>>
>>>I can't imagine any human saying "mate in 142" whether in a game, in
>>>analysis, or whatever...
>>
>>
>>BTW: The longest COMPOSED problem is a mate in 271!!
>>
>>Helmut
>
>
>I remember one such position.  Where the king had to walk across the board,
>force the opponent to move a pawn, then back across the board to eat it, then
>back again.


[D]8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - - 0 1

Petrovic 1969

Helmut

Not too hard for a human to see that.  Probably impossible for
>the computer.
>
>But then again, I have also seen the computer announce a (non-EGTB) mate
>in 20 moves almost instantly, that no human could see given reasonable time.
>Much less 1 second.



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