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Subject: Re: The importance of tablebases with programs.. freeware vs commercial

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 10:45:08 06/07/02

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On June 07, 2002 at 13:28:53, Frank Phillips wrote:

>On June 07, 2002 at 13:12:53, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 07, 2002 at 12:18:22, Frank Phillips wrote:
>>
>>>If you had perfect information, why would you prefer to guess?
>>>
>>>The issue would appear to be speed of access rather than the tables themselves.
>>>Is a 7GB RAM disc too far away?
>>
>>if we have 7 GB of ram then we will have the 6 men on disk slowing down
>>access times.
>>
>>Of course i was very happy when the EGTBs arrived in the endgame.
>>Now a few years later i see less and less importance of using them.
>>
>>OF COURSE I USE THEM, for the obvious reason that perfect information
>>is always better than imperfect information.
>>
>>But it is hard facts that if i would have had in 1999 (februari) the
>>tablebases, that i would have won paderborn ipccc1999 tournament.
>>
>>Chance the EGTBs make the difference between winning a tournament or now
>>now in 2002 is way less.
>
>I may be misunderstanding your point, but you seem to be saying that EGTBs no
>longer give an advantage because everyone is using them ... unless they are not
>(as in ipccc 1999) when they are an advantage.  Which would seem to make EGTB
>useful.

No what i said is that in past times engines cared shit to start a
KRPKR endgame, so they lost.

Nowadays they already smell a bit when it is won or not, so they don't
start it. Also *without* EGTBs.

>
>Of course, I agree with your point about 6 man and speed of access.  It would be
>interesting to speculate on the speed of access disadvantage versus EGTB size.
>Presumably as the number of men increase so does the room for error.
>
>I guess I also had humans in mind as the opponents rather than silicon.



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