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Subject: Re: Can any program see that this is a draw?

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 06:54:24 06/10/02

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On June 10, 2002 at 07:50:14, Helmut Conrady wrote:

>On June 10, 2002 at 07:01:03, Russell Reagan wrote:
>
>>On June 10, 2002 at 06:41:07, Benny Antonsson wrote:
>>>Like this.... My stupid program wants to take the rook !
>>
>>Since the position you posted isn't exactly legal since you have like 20
>>something black pieces on the board, I tried this position:
>>
>>[D]4b1r1/4k3/1rp1p1p1/1pPpPpPp/pP1P1P1P/P2K4/3B4/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>Apparently Fritz isn't any smarter than your program, because it wants to take
>>the rook too! Fritz sees this as -4.71 in favor of black after cxb6, and it sees
>>the position as -8.84 in favor of black after the "next best move" Be3. I always
>>knew that deep down I was better than my computer!
>>
>>Russell
>
>Some times ago someone created positions like that to show the "AS" of the
>programs (artificial stupidness"). :)
>
>Helmut

Yes, the problem with this position is that the programs see themselves down by
aobut 10 points and taking the rook makes them down by only 5/6 points. :-)
They would have to see 100 plies to see the draw (50 move rule).
Jim



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