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Subject: Re: Can any program see that this is a draw?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 11:10:33 06/10/02

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On June 10, 2002 at 03:55:48, Russell Reagan wrote:

>I'm sure this has been covered before, but I'm curious if any program can tell
>right away that this position is a draw, and if not, why not? It took me but a
>few minutes to create a method for determining if this position was drawn or
>not. Is detecting this draw harder than I am anticipating, or is it simply a
>matter that there is no need for such draw detection?
>
>I tried it with Fritz and it scored about 0.5 for white after 6 minutes.
>
>[D]4b3/4k3/2p1p1p1/1pPpPpPp/pP1P1P1P/P2K4/3B4/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Russell

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Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:04	30/33	0.08	714138		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Ke2 Bb7 10.Bc1 Bc8
					11.Ke3 Ba6 12.Kd3 Ke7 13.Be3 Bc8
					14.Ke2 Ba6 15.Kf3 Bc8 16.Bd2
0:04	31/34	0.08	756861		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Ke2 Bb7 10.Bc1 Bc8
					11.Ke3 Ba6 12.Kd3 Ke7 13.Be3 Bc8
					14.Ke2 Ba6 15.Kf3 Bc8 16.Bd2
0:04	32/35	0.08	800189		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Ke2 Bb7 10.Bc1 Bc8
					11.Ke3 Ba6 12.Kd3 Ke7 13.Be3 Bc8
					14.Ke2 Ba6 15.Kf3 Bc8 16.Bd2
0:04	33/36	0.08	848646		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Ke2 Bb7 10.Bc1 Bc8
					11.Ke3 Ba6 12.Kd3 Ke7 13.Be3 Bc8
					14.Ke2 Ba6 15.Kf3 Bc8 16.Bd2
0:05	34/37	0.08	890623		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Bc3 Bc8 10.Kf2 Ba6
					11.Ke3 Ke7 12.Kd3 Kd7 13.Bd2 Ke7
					14.Ke3 Bc8 15.Kf3 Bd7 16.Bc3
0:05	35/38	0.08	937356		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Ke2 Bb7 10.Bc1 Bc8
					11.Kd3 Ba6 12.Bd2 Ke7 13.Ke2 Kd7
					14.Kf3 Ke7 15.Be3 Bc8 16.Ke2
0:05	36/39	0.08	980694		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Bc3 Bc8 10.Kf2 Ba6
					11.Ke3 Ke7 12.Kd3 Kd7 13.Bd2 Ke7
					14.Ke3 Bc8 15.Kf3 Bd7 16.Be3
0:06	37/40	0.08	1030512		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Bd2 Bb7
					8.Kd3 Ba6 9.Be3 Bc8 10.Ke2 Ba6
					11.Kf3 Bc8 12.Bd2 Bd7 13.Ke2 Bc8
					14.Kf2 Bd7 15.Kf3 Be8 16.Bc3
0:06	38/41	0.07	1144671		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Bd2 Bb7
					8.Kd3 Ba6 9.Bc3 Kd7 10.Ke3 Ke7
					11.Bd2 Bc8 12.Kf3 Bd7 13.Be3 Bc8
					14.Ke2 Ba6 15.Kd3 Bc8 16.Bc1
0:06	39/42	0.07	1185621		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Bd2 Bb7
					8.Kd3 Ba6 9.Ke3 Bc8 10.Kf3 Bd7
					11.Be3 Bc8 12.Ke2 Ba6 13.Kd3 Bc8
					14.Bc1 Bd7 15.Ke3 Be8 16.Bd2
0:07	40/43	0.06	1312187		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Bd2 Bb7
					8.Kd3 Ba6 9.Be3 Bc8 10.Ke2 Ba6
					11.Kf3 Bc8 12.Bd2 Bd7 13.Bc3 Bc8
					14.Ke3 Ba6 15.Bd2 Bc8 16.Kf2
0:07	41/44	0.07	1367561		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Kf2 Bc8 9.Ke2 Ba6 10.Kd3 Bc8
					11.Bc1 Bd7 12.Ke2 Bc8 13.Kf3 Ba6
					14.Be3 Bc8 15.Kf2 Ba6 16.Bc1
0:08	42/45	0.06	1446704		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf3 Ba6
					8.Bd2 Kd7 9.Bc3 Bc8 10.Kf2 Ba6
					11.Ke3 Ke7 12.Kf3 Kd7 13.Bd2 Ke7
					14.Be3 Bc8 15.Ke2 Ba6 16.Kd3
0:08	43/46	0.06	1499399		1.Bc3 Bd7 2.Ke3 Bc8 3.Bd2 Ba6 4.Kd3
					Kd7 5.Be3 Ke7 6.Ke2 Bc8 7.Kf2 Ba6
					8.Kf3 Bc8 9.Ke2 Ba6 10.Kd3 Bc8
					11.Bc1 Bd7 12.Ke2 Bc8 13.Kf2 Bd7
					14.Kf3 Bc8 15.Be3 Ba6 16.Kf2

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