Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 23:50:54 07/31/98
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On July 31, 1998 at 22:51:18, blass uri wrote: >position: >2r2rk1/2q2pP1/p1b1pp2/1p6/4P3/2Np3P/PPP3Q1/1K4R1 >white to move. > >Fritz5 arrived to a winning position because it has a better positional >understanding. Fritz has no "positional understanding". You believe it has, but it hasn't. >Fritz5 played 25.cxd3 and made a draw when 25.Qd2 is winning for white > >Fritz5 using 131072Kbytes hash tables needed almost 30 minutes to find >Qd2 >Junior5(16 bit version for fritz) needed 10 minutes and 40 seconds >using 31000 Kbytes > >This is on pentium200MMX They used a p2/300 in Paris ! Also they had massive Hash-table-usage in Paris, as far as I knew. The draw-by-repetition-bug is a known problem/phenomena with the fritz-engines. The whole time in Paris Fritz had wired draw-lines and senseless repetition stuff. We made all our jokes watching the chessBase team sitting behind their "randomn-draw-generator -machine". >Genius3 needed 42 seconds to find Qd2 on a pentium100Mh with 15 Mbytes hash >tables. > >I think the strong point of Fritz5 is positional understanding Oh man, you really seem to have problems to differenciate tactics from positional stuff. You are the first guy I know who claims positional-understanding for fritz5. Whats next ?! Extraterrestrians on the moon ?! Nessi in Loch Ness ? >The weak point of fritz5 is the opening book. >In tactics it is sometimes weaker and sometimes stronger than other programs It is a finder. it is good in finding key-moves, but sometimes oversees easy tactics because of massive pruning. HERE you are right, for the first time :-) >In the first round against Isichess Fritz5 with white came out of the opening >book with negative evaluation with white. And ?! The book is NOT tuned for Fritz5. It is a quantitative approach, isn't it ?! >I believe fritz5's opening book has too many lines stupid humans played. Thats true. All books that were melted out of databases have this "problem". >It is better to delete lines Fritz5 does not like from the opening book of >fritz5. It needs a person to do so, that has to be paid for the job. >Uri
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