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Subject: Re: Interesting KRP to KP game, for your program

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 16:59:59 06/12/02

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On June 12, 2002 at 16:46:50, Ferdinand S. Mosca wrote:

>While studying king and pawn ending, I have met this position. Both sides have
>protected passer, Black's rook is passive while white's rook is looking for
>weakneses. There is however a nice temporary sacrifice by white that is hidden,
>which brings the game to a won king and pawn game for white. The resulting KP
>game is not that easy to evaluate for many programs since either side has no
>passer, white's king is far from the center, white's pawn at a5 appears to be
>somewhat over extended and black's pawns are more advanced. There is at least 2
>solution to this setup, first is to bring the rook to b-file which can
>simultaneously attacks both the black's king position and the backward black's
>b-pawn. The second solution is a more straight forward human touch, 51. Rxg7
>that was played by the great GM Kasparov way back in 1998 on a simultaneous
>exhibition game against Groshenny.
>From initial test of some free engines only Yace can do 51. Rxg7. I have no
>Fritz 7 and Hiarcs 8 at the moment, will somebody also post the analysis of this
>two strong engines?
>
>Regards,
>Dinan
>[D]6R1/1p1r2p1/p3k1Pp/P2pP2K/2pP4/2P5/1P6/8 w - - 0 51


The engine that solves this ending the fastest is Shredder 6! Shredder 6.02
takes 2x longer!

Shredder 6 see Rxg7! in approx. 1 min with 64MB of hash on a SLOW P-III 500!

I'm sorry I didn't save the "Readout" and since Shredder "Learns" it will now
play it instantly.

It surprises me the Shredder 6 beats Shredder 6.02, but whats more surprising is
the Shredder Classic ver. of Shredder Paderborn can't see Rxg7 after 3+ min.?

Shredder 6 Classic again solves it within a minute, also 64MB for hash.

Could someone who has Shredder 6 do this test again both using the ChessBase
ver. and the Classic ver., both for the readout and to verify that Shredder 6.02
CB ver. is slower than Shredder 6 CB ver.; And that Shredder Paderborn Classic
is a "dud" on this position!


Regards,
 Terry



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