Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 04:30:41 08/01/98
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On August 01, 1998 at 03:13:12, blass uri wrote: >>Whats next ?! Extraterrestrians on the moon ?! Nessi in Loch Ness ? > > >I can give you an example for this. >I did the nunn match between Junior5 and fritz5 won in 30 minutes per game >+30 seconds per move(the result after 16 games 10.5:5.5) because of better >positional understanding. Aha ! Good example. The one-eyed under the blinds ?! What if Karpov loses in the nunn-matches against Krabat ?! Is Karpov than also weaker in positional ?! :-) >here is an example to position Fritz5 understand better than Junior > >2r3k1/pq2rppp/b1p1p3/1n6/3PPP2/1N2Q1P1/6BP/RR4K1 >black to move >Fritz(white) understood that white is better in this position(it knows not only >to count pawns) when Junior evaluated the position as a small advantage for >black. Junior is a fast program. Normally it plays okish chess, not very spectacular, but also not stupid. I see no reason why fritz should not play better in the nunn-match positions than junior. John Nunn was asked to do a test for Fritz. The result is a test where Fritz is the best. What do you expect when you go into a shop and ask for a CD ? You will get a CD. And what a surprise: You claim : Fritz is a CD ! Of course it is !! The whole nunn-test was designed to fit for fritz. If you don't believe ME (because i am "biased") take a look in ComputerSchach and Spiele. There they write that John Nunn was asked to do this test. >Junior positional understanding of its games is better than of the nunn match >so I cannot say practically in games fritz has better positional understanding >but Fritz has better general positional understanding. ?!?!?!? "Logic is only the beginning" ? When juniors positional understanding in games is better, AS YOU WRITE YOURSELF, why is fritz IN GENERAL better in positional understanding ?!?! If you would have written, IN SPECIFIC CASE HERE IN THE NUNN-POSITION, I would understand this logic, but --- is this a language problem ?!? >I looked in the games fritz5 played as white and did not win in the >WMCCC and its evaluation in the end of the book opening was usually >small advantage for black. Fritz5 played very weak in Paris. If you would have seen the main-lines and the evaluations it had in its games, you would laugh as we have laughed in Paris. Maybe you would also comment with funny sentences... I have no idea why it played that lousy. Maybe a bug ? Maybe system-immanent-problem. Of course the version you have is NOT the version they used. Again : don't take my comments personal !
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