Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:02:38 06/15/02
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On June 15, 2002 at 06:43:01, Peter Berger wrote: >On June 15, 2002 at 06:21:18, Uri Blass wrote: > >>I guess that Tiger is clearly better than Genius even on 486 if you use 120/40 >> >>What happens in G/30 is a different question. > >This is certainly possible but can't be tested by me. I am not sure that Chess >Tiger for the Palm will do better at longer time control against Genius though. > >I found the following older games in my databases: > >[Event "Game in 15 / Palm-486"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "????.??.??"] >[Round "1"] >[White "Genius 4"] >[Black "Tiger 14.1"] >[Result "1/2-1/2"] >[ECO "B17"] >[PlyCount "126"] > >1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Nf3 Ngf6 6. Ng3 e6 7. Bd3 c5 8. >O-O cxd4 9. Nxd4 Bc5 10. Nf3 O-O 11. Qe2 b6 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. Rad1 Qe7 14. c3 >Rfd8 15. Ba6 Bxa6 16. Qxa6 Nd5 17. Bg5 f6 18. Bc1 Bd6 19. Nf5 exf5 20. Rxd5 Ne5 >21. Nxe5 Bxe5 22. Qd3 Rd6 23. Rxd6 Qxd6 24. Qc4+ Kf8 25. f4 Qc7 26. Qd5 Rd8 27. >Qb5 Bd6 28. Be3 Qe7 29. Bd4 Qe6 30. a4 Qe4 31. g3 Bb8 32. h3 Bd6 33. a5 Bc7 34. >axb6 axb6 35. Rf2 Qe1+ 36. Kh2 Qe6 37. Re2 Qc8 38. Bxb6 Bxb6 39. Qxb6 Rd3 40. >Qb5 Qd7 41. Qxd7 Rxd7 42. c4 Rb7 43. c5 Rb5 44. Rc2 Ke7 45. c6 Kd8 46. c7+ Kc8 >47. g4 fxg4 48. hxg4 Rb7 49. f5 Rxc7 50. Rc3 Rxc3 51. bxc3 Kd7 52. Kg3 Kd6 53. >Kf4 Kd5 54. Ke3 g6 55. c4+ Ke5 56. fxg6 hxg6 57. Kd3 g5 58. Ke3 f5 59. gxf5 >Kxf5 60. c5 Ke5 61. c6 Kd6 62. Kf3 g4+ 63. Kxg4 Kxc6 1/2-1/2 > >[Event "Game in 15/ Palm-486"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "????.??.??"] >[Round "2"] >[White "Tiger 14.1"] >[Black "Genius 4"] >[Result "1/2-1/2"] >[ECO "C55"] >[PlyCount "39"] > >1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5 d5 6. Bb5 Ne4 7. Nxd4 Bc5 8. >Nxc6 Bxf2+ 9. Kf1 Qh4 10. Nxa7+ Bd7 11. Bxd7+ Kxd7 12. Nb5 Ng3+ 13. Kxf2 Ne4+ >14. Ke2 Qf2+ 15. Kd3 Nc5+ 16. Kc3 Na4+ 17. Kb3 Nc5+ 18. Kc3 Na4+ 19. Kd3 Nc5+ >20. Kc3 1/2-1/2 > >[Event "Game in 15/ Palm 486"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "????.??.??"] >[Round "3"] >[White "Genius 4"] >[Black "Tiger 14.1"] >[Result "1-0"] >[ECO "C14"] >[PlyCount "137"] > >1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Bxe7 Qxe7 7. f4 a6 8. Nf3 >Nb6 9. Be2 O-O 10. O-O Rd8 11. Qd3 g6 12. Nb1 Nc6 13. c3 Qe8 14. Nbd2 Ne7 15. >Rf2 Nf5 16. Nf1 Bd7 17. a3 Bb5 18. Qc2 Nc4 19. a4 Nce3 20. Nxe3 Nxe3 21. Qb3 >Bc6 22. Bd3 b5 23. a5 Bb7 24. Re2 Nc4 25. Qa2 b4 26. cxb4 Rdc8 27. Rc1 Qe7 28. >b3 Nd6 29. exd6 cxd6 30. Rxc8+ Rxc8 31. b5 axb5 32. a6 Bc6 33. a7 Ra8 34. Qa6 >Be8 35. Ra2 Qc7 36. Bc2 Bc6 37. Qa5 Qb7 38. Bd3 b4 39. Ne1 Qe7 40. Qb6 Qb7 41. >Ra6 Qxb6 42. Rxb6 Rxa7 43. Rxc6 Ra3 44. Bc2 e5 45. Rxd6 exf4 46. Nd3 Ra1+ 47. >Kf2 Kf8 48. Nxb4 Ke7 49. Rxd5 Ke6 50. Rb5 Rh1 51. h3 Rc1 52. Rb6+ Kd7 53. Rc6 >Ra1 54. Rf6 Ke8 55. Rxf4 f5 56. g4 fxg4 57. hxg4 Ke7 58. Be4 Rd1 59. Bc6 Ke6 >60. g5 Rxd4 61. Rxd4 Kf5 62. Rd5+ Ke6 63. Ke3 Ke7 64. Rd7+ Ke8 65. Rxh7+ Kf8 >66. Bd5 Ke8 67. Nc6 Kf8 68. Be6 Ke8 69. Rh8# 1-0 > >[Event "Game in 15/ Palm-486"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "????.??.??"] >[Round "4"] >[White "Tiger 14.1"] >[Black "Genius 4"] >[Result "1/2-1/2"] >[ECO "C17"] >[PlyCount "137"] > >1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. Bd2 Ne7 6. a3 Bxc3 7. Bxc3 b6 8. b4 >Qc7 9. Nf3 cxb4 10. Bxb4 Ba6 11. Bd3 Bxd3 12. Qxd3 Nbc6 13. O-O Nf5 14. g4 Nfe7 >15. Bd6 Qd7 16. h3 Rc8 17. c3 h5 18. Ng5 hxg4 19. hxg4 f6 20. Nf3 fxe5 21. Bxe5 >Nxe5 22. Nxe5 Qc7 23. Rac1 Qd6 24. f4 Rc7 25. Rc2 Kf8 26. Ra2 Rh4 27. Rff2 Kg8 >28. Rf3 Nc6 29. Qg6 Rh6 30. Qe8+ Qf8 31. Qxf8+ Kxf8 32. Re2 Nxe5 33. Rxe5 Rg6 >34. Kf2 Rxg4 35. f5 exf5 36. Rexf5+ Ke7 37. Rxd5 Rg6 38. Re5+ Kd6 39. Ref5 Rc4 >40. Rf8 Ra4 41. Rd8+ Ke7 42. Rdf8 Rxa3 43. Ke2 Rf6 44. R8xf6 gxf6 45. Kd3 Ra5 >46. Re3+ Kd6 47. Re8 Ra3 48. Rb8 f5 49. Rg8 b5 50. Rg6+ Ke7 51. Rg7+ Ke6 52. >Rb7 a6 53. Rb6+ Kf7 54. d5 f4 55. Ke4 f3 56. Kxf3 Rxc3+ 57. Ke4 Ra3 58. Ke5 Ke7 >59. d6+ Kd7 60. Kd5 Ra2 61. Rb7+ Kc8 62. Rb6 Ra1 63. Kc6 Rc1+ 64. Kd5 Rd1+ 65. >Kc5 Ra1 66. Kc6 Rc1+ 67. Kd5 Rd1+ 68. Kc5 Rc1+ 69. Kd5 1/2-1/2 > >[Event "Game in 15/ Palm- 486"] >[Site "?"] >[Date "????.??.??"] >[Round "5"] >[White "Genius 4"] >[Black "Tiger 14.1"] >[Result "1-0"] >[ECO "B11"] >[PlyCount "153"] > >1. e4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. h3 Bxf3 5. Qxf3 e6 6. d3 Nf6 7. Be2 Nbd7 8. >O-O d4 9. Nd1 Bd6 10. Bf4 e5 11. Bd2 O-O 12. Qg3 Rc8 13. Bh6 Ne8 14. Bg4 Kh8 >15. Bd2 Nef6 16. Bf5 g6 17. Bxd7 Nxd7 18. Bh6 Rg8 19. f4 f5 20. fxe5 Bxe5 21. >Bf4 Qc7 22. Bxe5+ Nxe5 23. Rf4 Rg7 24. exf5 gxf5 25. Qf2 Rcg8 26. Rxf5 Rxg2+ >27. Qxg2 Rxg2+ 28. Kxg2 Ng6 29. Rf2 h5 30. Kf1 Qg3 31. Ke1 Qxh3 32. Kd2 h4 33. >Kc1 Qe6 34. Rh2 h3 35. b3 Qg4 36. Kb2 Qg3 37. Re2 h2 38. Nf2 Qg1 39. Nh1 Kg7 >40. Rf2 c5 41. Rf3 Qg2 42. Rf2 Qh3 43. Re1 Nh4 44. Re7+ Kg6 45. Rxb7 Nf5 46. >Rxa7 Ne3 47. Ra6+ Kg5 48. Rf8 Nd1+ 49. Kb1 Nc3+ 50. Ka1 Qh5 51. Rf1 Qe2 52. >Raf6 Qxc2 53. R6f2 Qxd3 54. Rg2+ Kh6 55. Rxh2+ Kg7 56. Rg2+ Kh8 57. Rfg1 Qh7 >58. Nf2 Nxa2 59. Kxa2 Qa7+ 60. Kb2 Qh7 61. Rh1 Qxh1 62. Nxh1 Kh7 63. Nf2 Kh6 >64. Nd3 Kh5 65. Nxc5 Kh4 66. b4 Kh3 67. Rd2 Kg4 68. b5 Kf4 69. Rxd4+ Ke5 70. >Kc3 Kf5 71. b6 Ke5 72. b7 Kf5 73. b8=Q Kf6 74. Nd7+ Kg7 75. Qf8+ Kg6 76. Rg4+ >Kh5 77. Nf6# 1-0 > >Unfortunately I don't have more data but this doesn't look as if Game in 30 is a >better time control for Chess Tiger than game in 15. > >This argument has been brought up before by Jorge Pichard btw after a match >against Comet. I agreed to play a match with slower time control. It isn't >finished yet and is very tedious but also in this match it seems to be Comet who >scores better with longer time control so far - or at least not worse. > >> >>It is also possible that a match between the 2 programs overestimate the >>difference and it may be interesting to test both of them against other >>opponents for example movei on faster hardware(you can give movei the white >>color in 20 games when you use option c and movei will changes it's choice of >>the first move in every game). >> > >Yes, I agree that the difference is probably overestimated in this match. > >I _will_ test movei ;-) - in fact it is currently battling it out against GNU on >my PIII1200-Laptop in a best of 50 match with 30 5 Fischer time control. So far >it is 8.0-4.0 for GNU which looks like a very decent result for movei to me. > >Peter some questions(It is possible that you told me by email but I am not near the right computer to check the emails at this moment): 1)Which gnu do you test? There is more than one gnuchess 2)Does Movei changes it's mind from 1...a5 to 1...b6 and 1...b5 with black? I had some problems with the code because I used undefined varaible and in some situation the computer does not remember it's value and assumes that the value is 0 and it is wrong. For some reason it does not happen always(otherwise I could understand that there is a problem in my code earlier). Thanks to Dieter's explanation on the winboard forum I understand the problem. I am going to fix it when I have excess to my code(I do not have the source code of the latest movei in this computer). Note that 50 game match may be too much because I expect after 40 games that Movei is going to repeat the same opening. Uri
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