Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:33:30 06/20/02
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On June 20, 2002 at 11:10:52, Louis Fagliano wrote: >On June 20, 2002 at 00:41:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 19, 2002 at 11:08:22, Louis Fagliano wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2002 at 17:47:41, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On June 18, 2002 at 15:08:48, Louis Fagliano wrote: >>>> >>>>>Maybe I'm not getting something, but in these types of "official" computer chess >>>>>tournaments, why do the programmers and operators actually get out a board and >>>>>pieces to play with when they all have GUI's right there on their screens? Why >>>>>not dispense with that seemingly superflorous prop? Even if some programs are >>>>>not compatable with the auto232 player, they can still transfer the moves from >>>>>screen to screen directly with out "playing" it on a board. >>>>> >>>>>After all, the super Cadaques tournament run by Enrique who also did a 24-game >>>>>match between Fritz and Junior to officially determine who would challenge >>>>>Kramnik did all of the games via the auto232 player and did not waste his time >>>>>with a board and pieces. >>>>> >>>>>Just wondering. >>>> >>>> >>>>what would you do after a power failure? >>>> >>>>:) >>>> >>>>(it has happened). >>> >>>Well, a handwritten scoresheet would be less cumbersome than a board and pieces >>>-- and more permanent, too. >> >> >>Ever played over a game handwritten? Even by a GM? Re8? Which rook? >>Scoresheets are even incomplete in time scrambles. > >True, but here all the operators would have to do is copy the notation off the >computer's GUI. If they can't even do that, they've got problems. Then "they have problems". :) I used to help Mike Valvo make the round-by-round bulletins at ACM events. We would take score sheets, enter them into a program (like Crafty using the "read" command) and then puzzle over the many errors. It took time to get them right. Even when they should have been copying things off the monitor. Of course, they more often than not get _their_ moves right and screw up the opponent's move... > >Besides, in a power failure don't most programs save the game? I know Rebel >does because in one game someone accidently kicked the plug of my surge >protector out of the socket and when I powered up and fired up Rebel, there was >the game and score still there. I don't know if other programs do this because >I don't want to power off my computer by unplugging it. > Maybe or maybe not. If power fails while you are writing to the disk, that file is going to be corrupted. Then you are screwed with no backup... >But anyway, in official competetion don't you need a game score no matter what? >Just a board and pieces alone won't do. You've got the game position but no >game score. You don't _have_ to have a game score. But if you don't have an up-to-date one, you can't claim draws by repetition or 50 moves, nor can you dispute clock forfeits and so forth. This is pretty common in events where things get crazy in a last-minute time scramble before a time control. The rules are clear that without an accurate score, you are screwed in trying to claim anything that would need the score sheet to confirm.
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