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Subject: Re: How much time does your program need to see the draw?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:24:11 06/21/02

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On June 21, 2002 at 09:24:04, Richard Pijl wrote:

>On June 21, 2002 at 08:53:00, Robert Henry Durrett wrote:
>
>>On June 21, 2002 at 06:28:27, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On June 21, 2002 at 04:38:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>[D]8/8/8/5P2/1p1b4/pNk5/K7/8 b - - 0 103
>>>>
>>>
>>>There is no chance for today's computer programs to see that this is a draw.
>>>Even without the white pawn, none of the 20 programs tested by me have an idea
>>>of draw.
>>>
>>>Kurt
>>
>>Why, specifically, is this true?  [I do not challenge the statement, but ask
>>about the software.]
>>
>>What, specifically, would have to be done to a chess engine to make it see these
>>things?
>>
>It doesn't seem very difficult to add this knowledge, just a matter of doing it.
>The problem is that white has sufficient moves to avoid zugzwang, the squares
>before the pawns are controlled by white and the bishop is of the wrong color,
>not able to support the advance of the pawns.
>Richard.

Yes 6 squares is practically enough to avoid zunzwang when the danger of threat
is only from a king and a bishop

The bishop can control 4 and the king can control 2 but they cannot control all
the relevant 6  different squares.

king at e2 and bishop at e5 can control 6 different squares that the knight at
e4 controls but the knight at e4 has 8 legal moves and when the knight has only
6 legal moves it is not possible.

Uri



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