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Subject: Re: Where are the user? The most persons here are programmer!

Author: José Carlos

Date: 03:52:00 06/22/02

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On June 21, 2002 at 20:54:31, Robert Henry Durrett wrote:

>On June 21, 2002 at 19:41:01, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On June 21, 2002 at 14:19:23, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>where are the user of chess programs?
>>>The most person which are write here or in WinBoard Forum are programmers.
>>>
>>>Normaly we must try to get more user in chess fora.
>>>
>>>Best
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>PS:
>>>Not easy to get a beta tester, or?
>>>All are testing his own programs against other programs.
>>>And tomorrow we have 500 engines and only 10 users :-))
>>>(in this case a lot of work for me and all my links).
>>>
>>>Have a nice day!
>>
>>  Do you think it is necessary to mix everybody in a forum? I like this forum
>>because there're a lot of chess programmers and we have interesting programming
>>discussions here. If there comes a day when I need to read 200 posts about Fritz
>>vs Shredder matches just to find an interesting (for me) thread, I'll probably
>>stop posting here.
>>  I suggest you create a new forum for testers, where people mainly post about
>>results. Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go out of here, of course.
>>I'm just suggesting what I consider a better structure of forums.
>>
>>  José C.
>
>I feel obligated to object most strongly, especially since I cannot wear the
>"chess programmer" badge.
>
>The different types of people here at ICD-CCC complement each other!
>
>The testers provide valuable information, which should greatly assist the "real"
>chess programmers.  The users provide an input regarding the "desirements" of
>the user community.  And the real chess programmers provide a lot of insight
>into the "guts" of chess programs, primarily engines. They also provide insights
>into what kinds of testing are most helpful and what is involved in meeting user
>"desirements."
>
>As in any large club, there are groups within the club who tend to talk to each
>other.  The real chess programmers [i.e. those who have written at least one
>successful chess engine program] tend to discuss programming issues, which must
>seem hard to follow by the non-programmer testers and users.  But, as a "user,"
>I must say that I find those threads to be fascinating!
>
>This club is also a great place for "young budding chess programmers" to learn
>from the more experienced chess programmers.  Perhaps the most helpful "tutors"
>are Dann Corbit [See? I spelled it right this time!] and "The Professor,"  Bob
>Hyatt.  Many others routinely present very informative bulletins as well.
>
>Speaking for myself, I continue to be in a learning process with regard to the
>types of bulletins, which are most desirable and helpful here.  Nevertheless, my
>fascination with chess, chess programs, and chess programming will make me stay
>here for the rest of my life, barring catastrophe.  I have done a lot of
>programming in the past; so can understand at least a little bit.
>
>Bob D.

  I don't know what are you exactly objecting, since in your words I can't see
any contradition with mine. I totally agree with you.
  I was reacting to an attemp to _change_ this forum into a tests-results-forum.
That's a very different idea.

  José C.



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