Author: José Carlos
Date: 03:52:00 06/22/02
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On June 21, 2002 at 20:54:31, Robert Henry Durrett wrote: >On June 21, 2002 at 19:41:01, José Carlos wrote: > >>On June 21, 2002 at 14:19:23, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>where are the user of chess programs? >>>The most person which are write here or in WinBoard Forum are programmers. >>> >>>Normaly we must try to get more user in chess fora. >>> >>>Best >>>Frank >>> >>> >>>PS: >>>Not easy to get a beta tester, or? >>>All are testing his own programs against other programs. >>>And tomorrow we have 500 engines and only 10 users :-)) >>>(in this case a lot of work for me and all my links). >>> >>>Have a nice day! >> >> Do you think it is necessary to mix everybody in a forum? I like this forum >>because there're a lot of chess programmers and we have interesting programming >>discussions here. If there comes a day when I need to read 200 posts about Fritz >>vs Shredder matches just to find an interesting (for me) thread, I'll probably >>stop posting here. >> I suggest you create a new forum for testers, where people mainly post about >>results. Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go out of here, of course. >>I'm just suggesting what I consider a better structure of forums. >> >> José C. > >I feel obligated to object most strongly, especially since I cannot wear the >"chess programmer" badge. > >The different types of people here at ICD-CCC complement each other! > >The testers provide valuable information, which should greatly assist the "real" >chess programmers. The users provide an input regarding the "desirements" of >the user community. And the real chess programmers provide a lot of insight >into the "guts" of chess programs, primarily engines. They also provide insights >into what kinds of testing are most helpful and what is involved in meeting user >"desirements." > >As in any large club, there are groups within the club who tend to talk to each >other. The real chess programmers [i.e. those who have written at least one >successful chess engine program] tend to discuss programming issues, which must >seem hard to follow by the non-programmer testers and users. But, as a "user," >I must say that I find those threads to be fascinating! > >This club is also a great place for "young budding chess programmers" to learn >from the more experienced chess programmers. Perhaps the most helpful "tutors" >are Dann Corbit [See? I spelled it right this time!] and "The Professor," Bob >Hyatt. Many others routinely present very informative bulletins as well. > >Speaking for myself, I continue to be in a learning process with regard to the >types of bulletins, which are most desirable and helpful here. Nevertheless, my >fascination with chess, chess programs, and chess programming will make me stay >here for the rest of my life, barring catastrophe. I have done a lot of >programming in the past; so can understand at least a little bit. > >Bob D. I don't know what are you exactly objecting, since in your words I can't see any contradition with mine. I totally agree with you. I was reacting to an attemp to _change_ this forum into a tests-results-forum. That's a very different idea. José C.
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