Author: Robert Henry Durrett
Date: 07:27:01 06/22/02
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On June 22, 2002 at 06:52:00, José Carlos wrote: >On June 21, 2002 at 20:54:31, Robert Henry Durrett wrote: > >>On June 21, 2002 at 19:41:01, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On June 21, 2002 at 14:19:23, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>> >>>>Hi, >>>> >>>>where are the user of chess programs? >>>>The most person which are write here or in WinBoard Forum are programmers. >>>> >>>>Normaly we must try to get more user in chess fora. >>>> >>>>Best >>>>Frank >>>> >>>> >>>>PS: >>>>Not easy to get a beta tester, or? >>>>All are testing his own programs against other programs. >>>>And tomorrow we have 500 engines and only 10 users :-)) >>>>(in this case a lot of work for me and all my links). >>>> >>>>Have a nice day! >>> >>> Do you think it is necessary to mix everybody in a forum? I like this forum >>>because there're a lot of chess programmers and we have interesting programming >>>discussions here. If there comes a day when I need to read 200 posts about Fritz >>>vs Shredder matches just to find an interesting (for me) thread, I'll probably >>>stop posting here. >>> I suggest you create a new forum for testers, where people mainly post about >>>results. Don't get me wrong, I'm not telling you to go out of here, of course. >>>I'm just suggesting what I consider a better structure of forums. >>> >>> José C. >> >>I feel obligated to object most strongly, especially since I cannot wear the >>"chess programmer" badge. >> >>The different types of people here at ICD-CCC complement each other! >> >>The testers provide valuable information, which should greatly assist the "real" >>chess programmers. The users provide an input regarding the "desirements" of >>the user community. And the real chess programmers provide a lot of insight >>into the "guts" of chess programs, primarily engines. They also provide insights >>into what kinds of testing are most helpful and what is involved in meeting user >>"desirements." >> >>As in any large club, there are groups within the club who tend to talk to each >>other. The real chess programmers [i.e. those who have written at least one >>successful chess engine program] tend to discuss programming issues, which must >>seem hard to follow by the non-programmer testers and users. But, as a "user," >>I must say that I find those threads to be fascinating! >> >>This club is also a great place for "young budding chess programmers" to learn >>from the more experienced chess programmers. Perhaps the most helpful "tutors" >>are Dann Corbit [See? I spelled it right this time!] and "The Professor," Bob >>Hyatt. Many others routinely present very informative bulletins as well. >> >>Speaking for myself, I continue to be in a learning process with regard to the >>types of bulletins, which are most desirable and helpful here. Nevertheless, my >>fascination with chess, chess programs, and chess programming will make me stay >>here for the rest of my life, barring catastrophe. I have done a lot of >>programming in the past; so can understand at least a little bit. >> >>Bob D. > > I don't know what are you exactly objecting, since in your words I can't see >any contradition with mine. I totally agree with you. > I was reacting to an attemp to _change_ this forum into a tests-results-forum. >That's a very different idea. > > José C. Happy to hear that we are in agreement. My ideas are not always embraced by everybody! I like CCC! :) Bob D.
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