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Subject: Re: What is the cause of the top 10 SSDF programs to lose?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 00:16:09 06/25/02

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On June 24, 2002 at 14:19:45, Joshua Lee wrote:

>Is the reason for losses between fairly close programs
>1. Book

Rare.

>2. The first Move out of Book

Extend this point to "the next *10* moves out of book". Then this is a reason
why a program loses. It does not follow a strategy which the positions requires.
ALthough sometimes the opponent program B also does not "know" how to play
correctly so that B in fact loses instead of wins... King's Indian is an example
for that. Look how the progs play with black, ugly and inaccurate. But sometimes
win anyway...

>or something else?

Sure. Mis-evaluating positions, mis-evaluating transpositions (e.g.
middlegame->endgame, rook+bishop-endgame -> bishop-endgame), wrong endgame
handling etc. etc.

>I have looked at a few SSDF games and it looks to me that #2 seems to be a huge
>problem. While it may take 60-70 moves or more but it appears to me that the
>Game's aren't lost amongst the best in the Ending or MiddleGame As much as the
>first Couple of moves out of book.

Can you give examples/numbers?



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