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Subject: Re: What is the cause of the top 10 SSDF programs to lose?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:16:13 06/25/02

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On June 25, 2002 at 15:11:18, Ron Langeveld wrote:

>On June 24, 2002 at 14:19:45, Joshua Lee wrote:
>
>>Is the reason for losses between fairly close programs
>>1. Book
>>2. The first Move out of Book
>>or something else?
>>I have looked at a few SSDF games and it looks to me that #2 seems to be a huge
>>problem. While it may take 60-70 moves or more but it appears to me that the
>>Game's aren't lost amongst the best in the Ending or MiddleGame As much as the
>>first Couple of moves out of book.
>
>Absolutely true. Between top engines the book determines the outcome of any
>comp-match for at least 70% (my wild guess).

I do not believe in it.

I expect part of the top engines with a very small book(only the first 3 moves)
to do more than 30% against the same program with the commercial book at least
in long time control because i believe that top engines can find a lot of book
moves by themselves and it is possible to avoid the same loss twice by changing
the opening in the first 3 moves.

My opinion is that books are not very important.

They are not important for weak engines because they often cannot take advantage
of better position and they are not important for the strong engines because the
strong engines can often find the right book moves by themselves and by choosing
the right book moves of the first 3 plies it is possible to get positions when
they can find the right book moves by themselves.

There are positions when there are deep traps that almost every engine can fall
into them but it is possible to avoid them by smart choice of the first opening
moves(for example 1.d4 and 2.Bf4 when white can continue in many ways later and
it is practically impossible to plan something for most options or most engines)

Uri



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