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Subject: Re: OT: Affordable new 64-bit Power4 boxen from IBM

Author: Frank E. Oldham

Date: 18:11:25 06/25/02

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On June 25, 2002 at 17:15:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 25, 2002 at 09:07:27, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>
>>On June 25, 2002 at 08:56:04, Adam Oellermann wrote:
>>
>>>On June 25, 2002 at 07:54:35, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 25, 2002 at 05:09:04, Adam Oellermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>...
>>>>>As I understand it, the Power4 blows the doors off Itanium2 for integer
>>>>>performance. So a dual for approx $20000 and a quad for approx $30000 would
>>>>>represent an *immense* amount of chess for your money. Me, I'd love to see
>>>>>Crafty on one of these guys clean up ICC... Of course, while it's dreamtime, IBM
>>>>>have 32-way boxes with 1.4GHz Power4 CPUs
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Adam
>>>>
>>>>Bob, would you compare the speed of such computer and the one who run Cray
>>>>Blitz, please ?
>>>
>>>Surely the differences in the architecture/purpose between a 64-bit SMP Unix box
>>>and a Cray must fill any honest comparison with weasel words. I am sure there
>>>are some things which the Cray would do much faster; some the big IBM boxes
>>>could probably compete. I would ***guess*** that the Cray would run Cray Blitz
>>>faster, but a 32x1.4GHz Power4 would run Crafty faster; Cray Blitz taking
>>>advantage of unusual features of the Cray, with Crafty being more suited for
>>>"general-purpose" computers.
>>>
>>>Disclaimer: I've never even seen a Cray up close, and therefore defer to just
>>>about anyone who might have an opinion on this :)
>>
>>My question was a bit unclear, I just would to know the comparison, in
>>Nodes/secondes between  "CrayBlitz on cray" and "Crafty on such machine" :)
>
>
>For the Cray T932, selling at $60,000,000 when new, Cray Blitz could search
>about 7M nodes per second using all 32 processors.  Divide 32 into 7M and you
>get about 200K nodes per CPU, roughly.  An equivalent Itanium2 or PPC4 ought
>to run at way over 32M nodes per second, assuming you could get a 32 node
>machine and that it is based on shared memory rather than message-passing like
>the SP machines...

"SpecRates" are useful to look at -- from spec.org --

dual Dell PWS 530 with 2 2.4GHz Xeons -- 2 copies of crafty
rate = 18.7

dual Athlon MP2000+ with 2 1.667GHz Athlon MPs -- 2 copies of crafty
rate = 22.1

32-way AlphaServer GS320 with 32 1GHz Alphas -- 32 copies of crafty
rate = 265

32-way IBM pSeries690 Turbo with 32 1.3GHz POWER4s -- 32 copies of crafty
rate = 299

The pSeries seems to scale fairly well.



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