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Subject: Re: I apologize

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:02:29 06/27/02

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On June 27, 2002 at 01:31:25, Kevin Strickland wrote:

>On June 26, 2002 at 04:15:22, Ron Langeveld wrote:
>
>>On June 26, 2002 at 01:48:12, Kevin Strickland wrote:
>>
>>>On June 26, 2002 at 01:16:01, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>
>>>>Although the file sizes and in fact also the contents of the .ctb and .cto are
>>>>identical, the comparison of the huge 553.553.920 byte Lunsen.ctg and
>>>>Powerbook2000.ctg indeed shows several differences between Lunsen and Powerbook
>>>>2000. Compared with WindowsCommander 5.0, File->compare by contents, binary. I
>>>>have no idea how WC5 compares, but I assume that this result is correct.
>>>>Although I also do not know the structure of the trees and how 2 of 3 files can
>>>>have the same contents but the third does not, I feel the due to apologize here
>>>>in public for calling the Lunsen book illegal, stolen powerbook 2000 from
>>>>ChessBase.
>>>
>>>Possibly you should have investigated a tad more before shooting your damn mouth
>>>off and possibly ruining someone's reputation.
>>>
>>>How would you like it if someone publically attacked you before finding out all
>>>possibilities? Wouldn't feel very good would it?
>>>
>>>I supposed next time you'll think before you shoot your f**king mouth off.
>>>Probably not though..
>>>
>>>Sad isn't it?
>>
>>Where do you get off, Kevin ?
>>
>>There was every reason to state that the books are identical (see my other post
>>in this thread). Given the fact that the byte-by-byte comparison does not add
>>up, does not give you the right to wash up Harald. For all I know he has more
>>integrity in his toe than you can ever bring to bear. I haven't seen any fruit
>>of your investigations here. What have you done to clear this mess up ? All I
>>see is a triggerhappy moralist. Well... I can play that game too.
>
>What did I do to "investigate" the problem? I actually have both books. I made
>the Lunsen book out of the database and saw that they were _not_ the same. If
>you BUILD the Lunsen book you can EASILY see that it is NOT the same book. The
>information inside is much different. There is also a bug in the book where you
>can't reset the move weighting. The PowerBook 2000 which I have does _not_ have
>this error. There are many differences but Harold didn't take the time to see
>them instead just came publically and making himself look like a complete ass.
>I saw there was a difference and was about to post when I saw Harold's so called
>apology.
>
>Where I get off is the simple fact that Harold was a complete freaking moron to
>attack Mr.Lunsen before getting all the facts. Suppose Mr.Lunsen worked for a
>software manufacturer and his boss also posted or read this forum. Basically he
>was accused of "stealing" and "warezing" someone else's work. How do you think
>his boss would have reacted? I would think he would be fired just due to the
>possibility he might do the same to the software he was working on.

I do not agree about it.
Firing somebody only because of suspect that was not proved is a stupid
behaviour.

I think that people are not going to work in a company if they know the company
behave in that way.

>
>Did you ever stop to think about that? I have seen idiots like Harold, run
>people off this board just because he doesn't agree with their views.

I do not think that he is an idiot.
I do not see the point of attacking people after they apologize.

I understood that the claim was that 2 books are the same and this claim was
wrong but I did not see it as a direct accusation against Mr. Lunsen even if it
is proved that the books are the same because it was not clear to me that Lunsen
is responsible for the problem.

Even in that case there are other possibilities.
For example it is possible that someone else put the wrong book as Lunsen's book
and Lunsen is not responsible for it.

 I have
>also replayed most of Harold's games where he has "beaten" top engines only to
>find out he has about 30 take backs from the games, or another engine plays the
>_exact_ same moves. If proof is needed I can easily prove that his "wins" are
>nothing more than another program's wins. Nothing more nothing less.

This is the first time that I read about his wins.
I  do not remember a single game of him against computers in this forum.
I remember games of Eduard nemeth against computers in this forum.

Uri



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