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Subject: Re: WM test bugs

Author: Vincent Lejeune

Date: 09:58:01 06/29/02

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On June 29, 2002 at 12:44:22, John Merlino wrote:

>On June 28, 2002 at 02:56:42, Peter Berger wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2002 at 23:00:34, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2002 at 04:04:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Several positions in WM test the solutions given aren't the
>>>>objective best moves.
>>>>
>>>>For example i get impression that at position 16:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>r1k4r/1b1q1pp1/p6p/3n4/1B3Pn1/1P1B4/P1PQ3P/2KRR3 w - - bm Ba5; id "CSS WM-Test
>>>>16) Lb4-a5 (K)";
>>>>
>>>>Undoubtfully Ba5 is a good move, but completely material
>>>>winning is c2-c4 here. You get directly a rook at the 7th rank,
>>>>swallow f7 + g7, and black is completely immobilized the rest of
>>>>the game. Soon also Rd1-e1-e7 happens and it's a mate in XXX soon
>>>>then.
>>>>
>>>>I can imagine why a human plays Ba5 here and doesn't take a risk (note
>>>>the chessprograms want this all initially too), but let's look objective
>>>>to the position. Not finding c4 soon means a program is a tactical joke.
>>>>
>>>>As a human i wouldn't find c4 so soon either. I would go for Ba5, because
>>>>i know how much i suck in tactics.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Vincent
>>>
>>>Chessmaster 9000 appears to agree with you (this is on a PIII-600):
>>>
>>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>>0:00	1/4	-0.60	8372		1.Bc4 Ngf6 2.Bc5 Rd8 3.Qf2
>>>0:00	1/4	-0.57	9665		1.Be4 Ngf6 2.Bg2 Rd8 3.Bc5
>>>0:00	1/4	-0.55	11465		1.Ba3 Ngf6 2.Qf2 Re8
>>>0:00	1/5	-0.79	27109		1.Ba3 Ngf6 2.c4 Qc7 3.Bc2 Nxf4
>>>0:01	1/5	-0.73	53715		1.Bc3 Ngf6 2.Be5 Rd8 3.Qa5 Nc7
>>>					4.Bxf6 gxf6 5.Bxa6
>>>0:03	1/6	-0.43	145151		1.Bc3 Ngf6 2.Be5 Rd8 3.Qa5 Nc7
>>>					4.Bxa6
>>>0:04	1/6	-0.24	229476		1.Ba5 g6 2.c4 Ndf6 3.h3 Bf3 4.hxg4
>>>					Bxd1 5.Rxd1 Qxg4
>>>0:05	1/7	-0.43	307905		1.Ba5 Kb8 2.c4 Ne7 3.h3 Nf6 4.Bb6
>>>					Bf3
>>>0:11	1/8	-0.14	701435		1.Ba5 Bc6 2.c4 Ndf6 3.Qc2 Qa7 4.Bf5+
>>>					Kb8 5.c5 Qb7
>>>0:18	1/8	0.00	1107218		1.c4 Nxb4 2.Qxb4 Qc7 3.Bf5+ Kb8
>>>					4.Bxg4 Qxf4+ 5.Kb1 Qxg4 6.Qd6+
>>>					Kc8 7.Qc5+ Kb8 8.Qd6+
>>>0:31	1/9	0.39	2046289		1.c4 a5 2.Bxa5 Nc7 3.Qb4 Nf2 4.Re7
>>>					Qxe7 5.Qxe7 Rxa5
>>>0:51	1/10	0.51	3523625		1.c4 a5 2.Bxa5 Nc7 3.Bb4 Ne6 4.f5
>>>					Ng5 5.Qf4 Bf3 6.Re7
>>>1:37	2/11	0.50	7088155		1.c4 a5 2.Bxa5 Nc7 3.Bb4 Ne6 4.f5
>>>					Ng5 5.Qf4 Bf3 6.Re7 Qc6
>>>7:13	3/12	0.63	32423345	1.c4 Nxb4 2.Qxb4 Nf6 3.Re7 Qc6
>>>					4.Rxf7 a5 5.Bf5+ Kb8 6.Qc3 Re8
>>>					7.Rxg7 Qb6 8.Re1
>>>
>>>jm
>>
>>Could you let Chessmaster 9000 search for a longer time,please? Say 2 hours? I
>>expect it to change its mind with more time.
>>
>>Peter
>
>Ok, Peter. Sorry I didn't get this message until today (Saturday) when I'm at
>home without the latest version. I'll do this on Monday and then post the
>results.
>
>jm

Could you search with the best 2 moves ? so we could compare the score ...



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