Author: stuart taylor
Date: 18:46:48 07/02/02
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On July 02, 2002 at 14:04:04, pavel wrote: >On July 02, 2002 at 13:15:13, stuart taylor wrote: > >>Stefen Meyer Kahlen has different views to Christophe Theron, it would seem. >>I read it now in the newsletter of "Digital chess news". >>He says that the pocket computers will be dominating pocket chess for quite some >>time. BUT Christophe says opposite. He says that soon Palm will be equal with >>Pocket comp running at 400Mhz. And also that some other details may well make >>Palm even quicker per. same Mhz. than PC. >> So is one of them wrong? >> >>Kahlen also claims that Pocket Fritz is the strongest out for the pocket >>platform, and that it is between Shredder 5.6 and 6.0. But Tiger is much better >>than Tiger 14 which is stronger than Shredder. So how come Kahlen is right? The >>only explanation I can think of is that Tiger isn't made at all for Pocket >>Computer yet, so the Mhz. are sufficiently less for Tiger which is what ever the >>Palm offers. But that's not really the program. > >But that's what he meant, he said, "Tiger is only available for Palms, which are >playing in a different league due to the slower processor right now." > >He never said, PocketFritz is better than Tiger for palm, regardless of the >platform. > >he also said, "The other programs for the Pocket-PCs have also strong and >interesting engines, still I think that Pocket Fritz plays stronger." > >That was his opinion, regarding his program, I don't see anything wrong. >You can't expect the the programmer of a program, say tht his program is crap. > >It is for them to say, us to find out. ;) > > > >> >>When asked about programs not improving so greatly from version to version, he >>claims that in the last few years the improvement rate is very fast. > >He didn't say, "the improvement rate is very fast", but rather he said, "if you >take a closer look at the differences between old and new versions of chess >programs in the last years you can see that the development seems to have even >speeded up a bit." Totally differant meaning. > >He meant, the improvement isn't a lot, nor is it too less, somewhere in between. > > > > But that >>isn't always so in my observation, and when it is, it looks to me that it can >>take a year or two or three to see a new upgrade of a program which doesn't >>necesarily show much improvements of evaluation in very many positions, and >>sometimes worse. > >AFAIK, all top programs, comes out with a new version every year. >Atleast, that is how it is with chessbase. > >The only exceptions are Chesstiger, and Hiarcs. > > > > It is only a very slow creeping upward trend. >>Even today, two of my past heroes Genius 3 and Hiarcs 6 can often beat the top >>programs on equal hardware. they are about 75% as strong, I believe. >>S.Taylor > > >I woulnd't say, "often beat", but rather "once and than" seems more appropriate. >For computerChess, every game is a differant game, and the loss doesn't >necessarily mean, the program played bad, but rather most likely the program had >a bug in a certain position or there was a bad line in the opening book. > >But I believe. Todays Fritz7 can beat any program from 1995, 80% of the time, >IMO that is. And it is definately significantly better than Fritz6. > >cheers, >pavs You have basically tamed my post. The main problem is that he said that Pocket Computer will probably dominate for some time. But that would seem a little questionable. But even that, he didn't say "how much" time. But I congratulate all Pocket computer owners with Fritz for being at the helm at the momment. There's nothing more important in life than this momment (to put to good use). S.Taylor
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