Author: Georg Langrath
Date: 23:33:44 08/04/98
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On August 04, 1998 at 23:19:08, Ed Schröder wrote: >Hi Fernando, > >I think you are right. I already pointed this out in other postings. The >emphasis for future versions is to extend the chess engine with more >useful functions. If you have a look at the Rebel10 Diary you will see >that this is already the case and more is to come over there. > >Changing the subject. It's now about 2 weeks after the match. In the >meantime I have thought a lot about what happened on Ischia. Maybe too >early for my final thoughts and personal conclusions. I wonder where do we >stand in computer chess? > >It looks like playing against the world-top (even against 2800 players!) on >blitz and semi-blitz makes no sense anymore. Rebel played 4 blitz games >5:00 plus 5 Fischer seconds increment for each move which makes the >4 games actually 10:00 games. Then 2 games on 15:00. Result 4.5-1.5 >and believe me I never ever expected this to happen. Apparently you have >to play first to find out. I think that other features will be more impoertant in future! Above all handicap levels. Average player has about 1200-1300 in strength! A good handicap level give you an even match without feeling that computer make bad moves on purpose! Georg> >The same counts for the 2 tournament games. Before the 2 games my >main fear was that Rebel would have been slaughtered, first positional >out-played, then slowly strangled, all in the well known Seirawan style at >Aegon but then even more effective :) > >The opposite happened. Rebel in both tournament games took the initiative >(a complete new experience for me!) had good winning chances in the >first game and some even say also in the second game, which I tend >to disagree on. > >What on earth is happening? > >I know, I know, just 2 games! > >In this respect I am really looking forward to the 6 Ferret games! It will tell >us more about the current state of computer chess. Please Fernando make sure >this new match will take place! > >One of my worries and also coming to my point, say Ferret will do well, >say a victory of 4-2. Next a 6 game match on 40/2:00 versus comp_X >and Kasparov or Anand ending in 3-3 or 4-2 in favor of comp_X. > >All speculation of course. But if it happens my worry is that it is a killer >for computer chess! My assumption is that people will lose interest as >the race on playing strength is finally decided. > >My prediction, if it happens some of us have to look for a new job :) > >- Ed - > > >>Hi Ed: >>Knowing that some people is asking you to shoot on your feet, then I dare to >>ask >>something for Rebel 11 around 2 years in advance. Besides, after seeing the >>post >>written by the presumed mummy of Sean Evans, everything is possible. >>Well, the core of my wish list is not strength but coach functions. I am >>already >>beaten 95% of the times by rebel 9 and the rest of Top programs and looking at >>an old poll, it seems I am not the only one here. So, strength is not anymore >>the issue. I don’t say you should weaken your engine or not to devote some >>time >>to improvement, OK, but I would like to see a greater effort in the coach >>functions in order, some day, to improve that 95% loses to, let us say, only >>90%. >>What I want, specifically? >>a) a coach function like that of Fritz, BUT not delivered in the setting of a >>weakened level. Coach should be present in any level, at will. >>b) after the end of the game, if on, the coach should appear and show which >>moves were the cause of defeat, explain why and show which were the good > >>moves, >>step by step >>c) after that, the coach should push the student to examine a lot of exercises >>similar to the position pattern where the mistake was committed. Of course >>this >>assumes Rebel 11 has a huge database with a thoroughly detailed number of key >>positions >>d) rebel 11 should keep in store the mistakes committed and the results of >>exercises so if in another game if a similar positions arises, the coach >>should >>warn that the player must be careful as much in a similar position he ruined a >>game, remember your exercisses, etc. >>In other words, Ed, I see a coach function operating together with normal >>game, >>not as something different. Besides, it is more rewarding and motivating to do >>some study of positions when you still are in the mood of playing chess. There >>are very good programs for learning chess, but they are somewhat boring and >>ask >>from the student an special moment to go through. That is somewhat demanding >>for >>an old fart like me, above 40 years old and in fact in the verge of 50. >>Give it a thought. Learning functions are the future. I don’t see other reason >>to purchase now a new program. Sure many guys feel like me. >>Regards >>fernando
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