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Subject: Re: Computers are still blind... How blind?

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 08:02:43 07/05/02

On July 05, 2002 at 10:54:06, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 05, 2002 at 10:51:59, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>On July 05, 2002 at 06:59:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 05, 2002 at 05:59:30, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 04, 2002 at 21:47:11, Omid David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Computers are like a blind person, they can do very well in the radius of their
>>>>>stick, but can't see farther.
>>>>
>>>>Isn't that radius almost complete now? How much is left?
>>>>S.Taylor
>>>
>>>A lot is left.
>>>The radius of their stick is clearly less than a half of
>>>the radius that is needed.
>>
>>Define "needed".
>>Kicking GM butts is not enough? :)
>
>Until the radius is clear to the end of the game tree, there will always be room
>for improvement.  If not against humans, then against other programs.

Yes, but since Uri said "half" I assumed he didn't mean distance to solve the
game, in that case we need more than 30 times the depth. The longest known mate
is 260 something IIRC, and that is a simple 6 man position.

-S.

Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Uri Blass 08:37:30 07/05/02
- Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Omid David 14:36:11 07/05/02
  - Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Uri Blass 18:14:00 07/05/02
  - Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Dann Corbit 16:08:30 07/05/02
    - Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Dann Corbit 16:10:57 07/05/02
      - Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Omid David 09:06:58 07/06/02
        
        Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Uri Blass 10:17:13 07/06/02
        
        Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Omid David 14:39:36 07/06/02
  - Re: Exponential explosion of alpha-beta trees Jesper Antonsson 15:38:21 07/05/02
- Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Sune Fischer 09:05:06 07/05/02
  - Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Uri Blass 10:29:16 07/05/02
    - Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Sune Fischer 12:45:21 07/05/02
      - Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Uri Blass 13:01:19 07/05/02
        
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        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 13:35:07 07/09/02
        
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        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 14:40:09 07/09/02
        
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        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 16:28:35 07/09/02
        
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        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 08:11:28 07/10/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Uri Blass 11:08:45 07/10/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 11:30:56 07/10/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Uri Blass 23:24:55 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 09:53:37 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Rolf Tueschen 12:40:51 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Chris Carson 04:29:06 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? stuart taylor 02:30:45 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Christophe Theron 11:14:43 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Slater Wold 23:28:03 07/07/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 08:34:36 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Sune Fischer 09:48:58 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 10:27:15 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Christophe Theron 11:11:19 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 20:21:06 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Christophe Theron 00:45:52 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 08:59:40 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Sune Fischer 10:50:18 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 20:22:13 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Keith Evans 10:11:31 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Chris Carson 10:22:06 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 10:28:44 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Chris Carson 10:34:11 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Daniel Clausen 03:25:57 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 08:36:09 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Christophe Theron 11:04:16 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 20:25:50 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Uri Blass 23:12:01 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 12:30:28 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Uri Blass 12:44:43 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 13:36:09 07/09/02
        
        should be buying and not buting(no text) Uri Blass 12:46:05 07/09/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Chris Carson 11:11:01 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? stuart taylor 02:38:47 07/08/02
        
        Re: What made Deep blue good? What will make programs much better now? Robert Hyatt 08:37:41 07/08/02
        
        Re: Computers are still blind... How blind? Sune Fischer 13:47:53 07/05/02

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