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Subject: Re: Great test position from Dortmund qualifier: well done Gambit!

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 16:49:08 07/06/02

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On July 06, 2002 at 16:39:22, George Sobala wrote:

>On July 06, 2002 at 15:22:41, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 2002 at 14:48:52, George Sobala wrote:
>>
>>>Topalov v Lutz
>>>
>>>How long does it take for your engine to find Nxf6?
>>>
>>>Live on the ICC, I happened to have Gambit Tiger analyzing on aggressive mode on
>>>a humble K6-2 450Mhz and it found the winning line *immediately*, whereas other
>>>engines I tried subsequently such as Fritz7 and Hiarcs8 were struggling even
>>>after several minutes on a Duron 800Mhz.
>>>
>>>[D]1r4k1/1q3pp1/r3b2p/p2N4/3R4/QP3P2/2P3PP/1K1R4 w - -
>>
>>I assume you mean Nf6+ rather than Nxf6? If so, then Chessmaster 9000 sees it in
>>1:37 on a (relatively slow) PIII-600:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	1.58	1515		1.Qc5 Bxd5 2.Rxd5 Re8
>>0:00	1/4	1.81	6765		1.Qc5 Qb5 2.Rc4 Qxc5 3.Rxc5 Bxd5
>>					4.Rdxd5
>>0:00	1/5	1.67	33581		1.Qc5 Kh8 2.Nc7 Rc6 3.Rd8+ Rxd8
>>					4.Rxd8+ Kh7
>>0:01	1/6	1.53	92375		1.Qc5 Kh8 2.Qc3 Rc8 3.Rc4 Rac6
>>					4.Rxc6 Qxc6 5.Qxc6 Rxc6
>>0:03	1/7	1.50	222972		1.Qc5 Kh8 2.Qc3 Bf5 3.Kb2 Re8 4.Re1
>>0:09	1/8	1.42	694778		1.Qc5 Kh8 2.Qc3 Rc6 3.Qd3 Rbc8
>>					4.Nf4 Qb8 5.c4
>>0:37	1/9	1.49	2926516		1.Qc5 Kh7 2.Qc3 Rc6 3.Qd3+ g6 4.g4
>>					Rbc8 5.Rd2 Bxd5 6.Rxd5
>>1:19	2/10	1.39	6403907		1.Qc5 Kh7 2.Qc3 Rc6 3.Qd3+ g6 4.g4
>>					Rbc8 5.Rd2 f5 6.Re2 Bxd5 7.Rxd5
>>1:37	2/10	3.06	8039436		1.Nf6+ gxf6 2.Rd8+ Rxd8 3.Rxd8+
>>					Kh7 4.Qf8 Kg6 5.Qg8+ Kh5 6.Qg7
>>					f5 7.Rd4 Bc8 8.g3 Qe7 9.Rh4+ Qxh4
>>					10.Qxf7+ Rg6 11.gxh4
>>2:28	3/11	3.12	13185138	1.Nf6+ gxf6 2.Rd8+ Rxd8 3.Rxd8+
>>					Kh7 4.Qf8 Kg6 5.Qg8+ Kh5 6.Qg7
>>					f5 7.Rd4 Bc8 8.g3 Qe7 9.Rh4+ Qxh4
>>					10.Qxf7+ Rg6 11.gxh4 Be6 12.Qc7
>>
>>jm
>
>
>Yes - Nf6+ (sorry, misprint - over-enthusiasm triumphed over typing)
But Nf6 was written, which looks ok to me. No? (Not no+)
S.Taylor
>
>For the record, Gambit Tiger (aggressive) got it in 0.4 secs on a Duron 800! It
>was fun watching it live at the ICC: for many, it was not an easy line to
>visualise even with computer prompting. I was puzzled that (on a slow processor)
>I seemed to be the first to point it out, but obviously Gambit/aggressive spots
>this particular sac much sooner than other engines.



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