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Subject: Re: To Hyatt and the Crafty experts.

Author: Robert Henry Durrett

Date: 04:42:30 07/07/02

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On July 07, 2002 at 02:57:20, Slater Wold wrote:

>I guess this could be asked of any chess engine, but in this particular case I
>am using Crafty 18.15.
>
>
>I was messing with nullmove in Crafty.  Just trying to "trigger" different
>responses.  (Testing certain theories inside of Crafty to perhaps adapt some of
>this into my own "work in progress".)
>
>
>This struck me as odd:
>
>If I change null_min to 0 and null_max to 2, I get a complete new engine.
>
>Example:
>
>null_min = 3
>null_max = 4
>
>White(1): setboard r1bqk2r/pp1p1ppp/2nb1n2/2p1p3/Q1P5/2N2NP1/PP1PPPBP/R1B1K2R b
>Black(1): go
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 1:00 (1:00)
>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>                6     0.12   0.50   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. Nb5 Bb8
>                                    4. d3 d5
>         (2)    6->   0.14   0.50   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. Nb5 Bb8
>                                    4. d3 d5
>                7     0.17   0.74   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. d3 a6 4.
>                                    Kd1 Ng4 5. Rf1
>                7     0.28   0.40   1. ... Qe7 2. Nb5 Ng4 3. h3 Nf6 4.
>                                    d3 Kf8 5. Nxd6 Qxd6
>                7->   0.40   0.40   1. ... Qe7 2. Nb5 Ng4 3. h3 Nf6 4.
>                                    d3 Kf8 5. Nxd6 Qxd6
>                8     0.65   0.54   1. ... Qe7 2. Nb5 Kf8 3. Kd1 Ng4 4.
>                                    Rf1 e4 5. Nxd6 Qxd6
>                8->   0.98   0.54   1. ... Qe7 2. Nb5 Kf8 3. Kd1 Ng4 4.
>                                    Rf1 e4 5. Nxd6 Qxd6
>                9     3.01   0.66   1. ... Qe7 2. Nh4 Nd4 3. Nb5 Nxb5 4.
>                                    Qxb5 Ng4 5. Bxb7 Rb8 6. Nf5 Rxb7 7.
>                                    Nxe7 Rxb5 8. Nxc8
>                9     7.07   0.64   1. ... Qb6 2. Kd1 h6 3. d3 Kd8 4. Nb5
>                                    Be7 5. Ke1 Ke8
>                9     7.09   0.61   1. ... Be7 2. d3 d6 3. Nd5 Nxd5 4.
>                                    cxd5 Qa5+ 5. Qxa5 Nxa5 6. Bd2 b6 7.
>                                    Kd1
>                9     8.98   0.53   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. Nb5 Bb8
>                                    4. d3 e4 5. dxe4 Nxc4 6. Ng5
>         (4)    9->   9.21   0.53   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. Nb5 Bb8
>                                    4. d3 e4 5. dxe4 Nxc4 6. Ng5
>         (3)   10     9.92   0.82   1. ... Qa5 2. Qxa5 Nxa5 3. d3 Nc6 4.
>                                    Nb5 Bb8 <HT>
>         (2)   10    12.79   0.70   1. ... Qb6 2. Kd1 Qb4 3. Qxb4 cxb4
>                                    4. Nb5 Bb8 5. d4 Ng4 6. Rf1 Nxd4 7.
>                                    Nbxd4 exd4 8. Nxd4 Nxh2
>               10    14.06   0.60   1. ... Qe7 2. Kd1 Kd8 3. Nb5 Ng4 4.
>                                    Ke1 Ke8 5. Nh4 Qf6 <HT>
>         (4)   10->  17.45   0.60   1. ... Qe7 2. Kd1 Kd8 3. Nb5 Ng4 4.
>                                    Ke1 Ke8 5. Nh4 Qf6 <HT>
>         (3)   11    43.06   0.77   1. ... Qe7 2. Nh4 g6 3. d3 h6 4. Be3
>                                    Ng4 5. Nd5 Qe6 6. Nb6 <HT>
>         (2)   11    59.79   0.70   1. ... Qb6 2. d3 Qb4 3. Qxb4 cxb4 4.
>                                    Nb5 Bb8 5. c5 e4 6. dxe4 Nxe4 7. Be3
>                                    d5 8. cxd6 Bxd6 9. Nxd6+ Nxd6
>              time=1:00  cpu=398%  mat=0  n=66127556  fh=89%  nps=1101k
>              ext-> chk=1141865 cap=299906 pp=14274 1rep=43053 mate=5394
>              predicted=0  nodes=66127556  evals=18755159
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              hashing-> trans/ref=15%  pawn=94%  used=99%
>              SMP->  split=357  stop=50  data=6/32  cpu=3:59  elap=1:00
>
>and
>
>null_min = 0
>null_max = 2
>
>White(1): setboard r1bqk2r/pp1p1ppp/2nb1n2/2p1p3/Q1P5/2N2NP1/PP1PPPBP/R1B1K2R b
>KQkq -
>Black(1): go
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 1:00 (1:00)
>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>starting thread 1
>                6     0.13   0.17   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Be3 d5 4. O-O-O
>                6->   0.24   0.17   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Be3 d5 4. O-O-O
>                7     0.44   0.04   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bg5 Ng4 4.
>                                    Bxe7 Qxe7 5. Qd1
>                7->   0.79   0.04   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bg5 Ng4 4.
>                                    Bxe7 Qxe7 5. Qd1
>                8     1.43   0.27   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Bc7 3. e4 Nb4 4. Qd1
>                                    d6 5. O-O
>                8->   3.97   0.27   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Bc7 3. e4 Nb4 4. Qd1
>                                    d6 5. O-O
>                9     8.13   0.18   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bd2 d6 4. O-O-O
>                                    Ng4 5. Ne4 Bf5
>                9->  12.99   0.18   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bd2 d6 4. O-O-O
>                                    Ng4 5. Ne4 Bf5
>               10    20.08   0.31   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bd2 d5 4. cxd5
>                                    Nxd5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxd5 Re8 7. Nxe7+
>                                    Qxe7
>               10->  52.21   0.31   1. ... O-O 2. d3 Be7 3. Bd2 d5 4. cxd5
>                                    Nxd5 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxd5 Re8 7. Nxe7+
>                                    Qxe7
>              time=1:00  cpu=398%  mat=0  n=70974629  fh=97%  nps=1180k
>              ext-> chk=1444529 cap=863640 pp=142696 1rep=109480 mate=0
>              predicted=0  nodes=70974629  evals=14890017
>              endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>              hashing-> trans/ref=17%  pawn=96%  used=99%
>              SMP->  split=124  stop=15  data=5/32  cpu=3:59  elap=1:00
>
>
>
>From the 1rep to the mate extenstions, it went a _complete_ different route
>here.
>
>I guess my question is, what causes such a huge difference?


I realize that your's was a serious question.  But I couldn't help but smile at
the notion that Bob is surrounded by a bunch of "Crafty Experts."  I find that
hillarious!  :)

Bob D.



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