Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 11:45:47 08/05/98
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>>It looks like playing against the world-top (even against 2800 players!) on >>blitz and semi-blitz makes no sense anymore. Rebel played 4 blitz games >>5:00 plus 5 Fischer seconds increment for each move which makes the >>4 games actually 10:00 games. Then 2 games on 15:00. Result 4.5-1.5 >>and believe me I never ever expected this to happen. Apparently you have >>to play first to find out. >>The same counts for the 2 tournament games. Before the 2 games my >>main fear was that Rebel would have been slaughtered, first positional >>out-played, then slowly strangled, all in the well known Seirawan style at >>Aegon but then even more effective :) >I feel the opposite - there's a long way to go for computers to match GMs in >every aspect of the game (this is a different goal from beating GMs >occasionally >OTB, of course). In my opinion, we are still decades away from chess programs >that really understand all kind of positions, all stages of the game with the >quality of a good GM postmortem analysis. All true, but..... Since the early 80th I have always claimed no computer will EVER be able to beat the human WC for reasons you describe above and a few others reasons as well. After the last DB-GK match I have changed my mind. Chris W. in rgcc said, "Maybe a 15-20 ply search with some anti-human stuff will do the whole trick. I thought about it and I think he is right. This does not mean computers play more beautiful chess than humans. Humans will always be more creative than a computer in respect to strategy. Computers play simply a DIFFERENT style. I like the human style much better, much more attractive to replay and study. Still the computer will win the race with his own unpredictable moves and style and with all its unsolved weak points and I believe it will happen maybe sooner then we expect. After the 3.5-2.5 victory of DB on GK I thought like many others, this is a mistake and next re-match will set things right and PLEASE give Kasparov what he asked for. I am not so sure anymore after the 2 tournament games Rebel played against Anand. In both games Anand had troubles. I now think DB will win again against GK. And maybe it only takes 1 or 2 years and a few Pc programs are able to do the same. Deep ply-depths and some smart software will do the trick no matter all the things they do not understand yet. - Ed - >As far as OTB play is concerned, there are numerous examples on ICC and >elsewhere where "weaker" players (i.e. unrated or without FIDE title) almost >match or even surpass Anand's performance against Rebel. >There's still a lot of work to do, a long way to go and hopefully much money >for you to earn also in the next millenium ;-) >Certainly the task of implementing intelligent coaching features must not be >forgotten since this is what the vast majority of customers needs most and >hardly gets in any product nowadays. In so far you are perfectly right in >giving this a higher priority than maybe 5 years ago where playing strength was >even more insufficient than today. >Moritz
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