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Subject: Re: Is Hardware Over -valued? Why is Diep doing so Poorly?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 14:41:09 07/09/02

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On July 09, 2002 at 15:25:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 09, 2002 at 13:30:55, Marc van Hal wrote:
>
>>On July 09, 2002 at 02:36:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 09, 2002 at 01:34:04, John Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I understand correctly, Diep is using a Supercomputer, shouldn't it be doing
>>>>much better in this tournament, or is it to early to Judge? I mean the Computer
>>>>World Championship ofcourse.
>>>
>>>You did not understand correctly
>>>
>>>see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?238965
>>>
>>>I also read that in another post that the prices for one hour of the super
>>>computer are very high so I guess that people need to be rich in order to use
>>>the super computer.
>>>
>>>I guess that in order to use the super computer you need a lot of hours of
>>>testing in the super computer to see that things work and if you need to pay
>>>some hundreds of dollars for an hour then it is something that most programmers
>>>cannot even consider and I talk only about 60 cpu's because the prices for 1024
>>>cpu's are even higher.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>In fact I saw the statements of the WCCC and I ad once was thinking some
>>programs will perform worse if they are just installed on a computer
>>Leading to false results
>>All program with learning have trouble with this only one more then the other.
>>I don't know the reason of this but I do know this from expierince.
>>But in fact it is like a Tournament player who prepared his games and when he
>>has to play the tournament he has to forget everthing he prepared.
>>
>>Marc van Hal
>
>
>There are several issues:
>
>1.  using unusual hardware is non-trivial.  NUMA machines are one example.
>
>2.  Going faster may well cause your eval to misbehave as it is very easy to
>tune an evaluation to a specific search depth and going much deeper or shallower
>can cause some of that tuning to be wrong.

I agree about the other problems but 2 is not a serious problem.

Every program that I know is going to play better if you give it 10 hours per
move and not 3 minutes per move.

Uri



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