Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:05:09 07/09/02
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On July 09, 2002 at 17:44:44, Chessfun wrote: >On July 08, 2002 at 23:04:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 08, 2002 at 15:17:30, Russell Reagan wrote: >> >>>On July 08, 2002 at 14:50:44, William H Rogers wrote: >>> >>>>When are these world championships going to be held in the good old USA? >>>>Why are they held in the same place year after year? >>>>The Olympics move all over the world, why doesn't chess? >>>>Just food for thought. >>>>Bill >>> >>>My guess is that the best engines are from other countries, mostly in Europe, so >>>it would make more sense to hold the event where the highest number of top >>>engines can participate. >>> >>>Which engine's would be the best of the U.S.? Crafty? Ferret? I'm sure there are >>>plenty of strong engines that I don't know about, but seriously, do you think >>>any U.S. engine has an answer for Fritz, Shredder, Tiger (if it played), Junior, >>>Rebel, and...oh, I forgot about Chessmaster, but I don't know if that even >>>qualifies as a "U.S. engine". I would assume the actual engine belongs to Johan, >>>and while he might live in the U.S., I'm betting he doesn't. If he did, that (I >>>guess) would be the U.S.'s best shot. >>> >>>I also have this feeling that the rest of the world thinks that us Americans are >>>just a bunch of lazy whiners and we just don't want to have to pay our money and >>>travel like the rest of the participants. I think it would be a great experience >>>visiting Europe, but I don't think there's any way I could afford it or get a >>>week or more free to do such a thing. I suppose if I really wanted to >>>participate and I had a decent engine then someone would be willing to operate >>>it for me. >>> >>>Russell >> >> >>You miss the point. The ICCA charter says that the WCCC event _must_ >>alternate between Europe and North America. It isn't a "suggestion". It >>is a _requirement_. > >Where can I find the wording of this charter? It isn't on the homepage of the >ICCA http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/ICCA/ I have no idea. It was in the original "paper copy" I received as it was written. Sometime in late 1977 or early 1978 after we formed the ICCA at the 1977 WCCC in Toronto. > >>I see no reason why North American participants have to travel every three >>years. Watch this pattern: > >Sweden (1974) >Canada (1977) > >Austria (1980) >USA (1983) > >Germany (1986) >Canada (1989) > >>1992 back to Europe and it has been there ever >>since. > >Spain 1992 >Hong Kong 1995 > >1995 Is when it should have been in North America based on your statement of >alternating between Europe and North America. Were no complaints made at that >time by yourself and others?. Especially when Asia isn't exactly in either >continent. > >Paderborn 1999 > >Then it should be North America again in 2002. It seems odd to me that the >charter you refer to wouldn't have been re-written especially in light of the >emergence of other continents. > >Sarah. At the time, most of the participants were from North America. Belle Chess 4.x Blitz. Duchess Coko JBiit (berliner) Dark Horse Chaos Tech Then Canada: Wita/Awit Phoenix Ostrich L'xentrique Tree frog/ribbit etc. the list goes on.. The rest were mainly from Europe. The ICCA was formed to _foster_ computer chess development. It was deemed "fair" to alternate to give the Europeans more exposure. It was, at the time, also deemed reasonable to alternate between the two main centers of development, to help control cost. IE the South Pole would be a bad place to go, just because there is one person developing a chess engine. Everyone would suffer the travel costs there. :)
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