Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:14:11 07/12/02
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On July 12, 2002 at 16:49:13, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >On July 12, 2002 at 16:30:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 12, 2002 at 16:08:17, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >> >>>On July 12, 2002 at 16:02:15, Anson T J wrote: >>> >>>>On July 12, 2002 at 15:33:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 12:28:42, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hier alle Partien in der selben Reihenfolge wie im Text, zum besseren >>>>>>Nachspielen: >>>>>> >>>>>>[Event "Stufe=Blitz:25'+3"] >>>>>>[Site "?"] >>>>>>[Date "2000.??.??"] >>>>>>[Round "?"] >>>>>>[White "Nemeth, Eduard"] >>>>>>[Black "Crafty 17.11"] >>>>>>[ECO "D54"] >>>>>>[Result "1-0"] >>>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e3 O-O 6. Rc1 h6 >>>>>>7. h4 dxc4 8. Nh3 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd5 10. Qh5 f5 11. g6 Nf6 >>>>>>12. Qh4 Qxd4 13. exd4 Rd8 14. Ng5 1-0 >>>>> >>>>>There is something wrong in _this_ game. I don't know what version you >>>>>are running, nor what interface you are running under, but a normal Crafty >>>>>will absolutely _never_ (and I mean NEVER) play black's move 9, hxg5. It >>>>>has _specific_ code to prevent this. >>>>> >>>>>If you want, feel free to log on to ICC one night of your choosing and play >>>>>"the real crafty" a few games. This piece sacrifice won't work, ever. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Nemeth,E - Crafty 17.11 >>>>[D]rnbq1rk1/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/6B1/2pP3P/2N1P2N/PP3PP1/2RQKB1R b K - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Crafty 17.11: >>>> >>>>8...hxg5 9.Nxg5 Nh7 10.Nxh7 Kxh7 11.Bxc4 Bxh4 >>>> -+ (-3.83) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00 >>>>8...hxg5 9.Nxg5 Nh7 10.Nxh7 Kxh7 11.Bxc4 Bxh4 >>>> -+ (-3.83) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00 >>>>8...hxg5 9.Nxg5 Nh7 10.Nxh7 Kxh7 11.Bxc4 Bxh4 >>>> -+ (-3.83) Depth: 3/14 00:00:00 >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nh7 10.Kd2 >>>> -+ (-3.66) Depth: 4/14 00:00:00 >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nd5 10.Bxc4 Bxg5 11.Nxg5 Qxg5 >>>> -+ (-3.51) Depth: 5/20 00:00:00 >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nd5 10.Bxc4 Bxg5 11.Nxg5 Qxg5 >>>> -+ (-3.51) Depth: 6/21 00:00:00 40kN >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Ne8 10.Bxc4 Nd6 11.Ne2 Bxg5 12.Nxg5 Qxg5 >>>> -+ (-3.49) Depth: 7/21 00:00:00 112kN >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Ne8 10.Bxc4 Nd6 11.Ne2 Bxg5 12.Nxg5 Qxg5 >>>> -+ (-3.49) Depth: 8/21 00:00:01 230kN >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nd5 10.Bxc4 Bxg5 11.Nxg5 Qxg5 12.Qf3 Nxc3 13.Rxc3 Rd8 >>>> -+ (-3.45) Depth: 9/25 00:00:05 844kN >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nd5 10.Bxc4 Nxc3 11.Rxc3 Bxg5 12.Nxg5 Qxg5 13.Qf3 >>>> -+ (-3.29) Depth: 10/26 00:00:14 2808kN >>>>8...hxg5 9.hxg5 Nd5 10.Bxc4 Nxc3 11.Rxc3 Bb4 12.f4 Bxc3+ 13.bxc3 Qd6 14.Qh5 Rd8 >>>> -+ (-3.35) Depth: 11/32 00:00:41 8386kN >>> >>>Thank You! I plays not wrong gamesm and I play without Takebacks. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Eduard >> >> >>Here is how the current crafty behaves... and how any version from the past >>few years has behaved with the trojan code enabled: >> >> 1 0.01 -0.66 1. ... e5 2. Bxc4 exd4 3. exd4 >> 1-> 0.01 -0.66 1. ... e5 2. Bxc4 exd4 3. exd4 >> 2 0.01 -0.66 1. ... e5 2. Bxc4 exd4 3. exd4 >> 2-> 0.02 -0.66 1. ... e5 2. Bxc4 exd4 3. exd4 >> 3 0.04 -0.54 1. ... e5 2. dxe5 hxg5 3. exf6 >> 3-> 0.06 -0.54 1. ... e5 2. dxe5 hxg5 3. exf6 >> 4 0.10 -0.54 1. ... e5 2. dxe5 hxg5 3. exf6 >> 4-> 0.19 -0.54 1. ... e5 2. dxe5 hxg5 3. exf6 >> 5 0.21 -- 1. ... e5 >> 5 0.26 -0.07 1. ... e5 2. dxe5 Ng4 3. Qxd8 Bxd8 >> 4. Bf4 >> 5 0.50 -0.60 1. ... Nc6 2. Bxc4 e5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 >> 4. Qxd8 Rxd8 >> 5-> 0.60 -0.60 1. ... Nc6 2. Bxc4 e5 3. dxe5 Nxe5 >> 4. Qxd8 Rxd8 >> 6 0.85 -0.51 1. ... Nc6 2. Bxc4 e5 3. d5 Bg4 4. >> f3 >> 6 1.45 -0.56 1. ... c5 2. Bxc4 Nc6 3. Ne2 cxd4 4. >> exd4 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 >> (2) 6-> 1.70 -0.56 1. ... c5 2. Bxc4 Nc6 3. Ne2 cxd4 4. >> exd4 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 >> 7 2.22 -0.37 1. ... c5 2. Bxc4 cxd4 3. exd4 Nc6 >> >> >> >>No sign of hxg at all. It will _never_ play that... > >Hello Robert, > >Read this here (translate it) and you can my game understand! > >1. Kapitel: Das trojaneropfer (Auszug Text) > >"...Hier möchte ich unbedingt erwähnen dass Crafty eine Option mit Trojan Check >besitzt. Schaltet man diese Option ein, so verschmäht Crafty (zurecht) das Opfer >auf g5!..." > >Hier ist mein kompletter Artikel zu finden (leider nur in german, sorry): > >http://f50.parsimony.net/forum200775/messages/298.htm > >Regards, >Eduard Hello... as I said earlier, I did not mean to imply _you_ had done something wrong or dishonest. I simply said that there was something wrong in the setup. And that it was a problem that I eliminated earlier this year when I chose to make the anti-trojan-horse code automatic... So while I can't say much about other engines, tossing a piece on the g file to open the h-file simply will not work against Crafty... It has been tried by the best "trojan players" on the planet with zero success...
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