Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 14:19:20 07/12/02
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On July 12, 2002 at 17:02:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On July 12, 2002 at 16:52:16, Anson T J wrote: > >>Okay, okay! you are both right. >> >>1) The guy played vs Crafty 17.11 and won... >>2) Hyatt already coded Crafty 17.11 to prevent such a loss. >>3) Chessbase has Crafty 17.11 load without Trojan check on. >> >>Mr Nemeth wasn't to know (and neither did I as engines normally load with the >>optimal settings). He didn't "setup" this game and so isn't a fraud. > >I hope I never said he was a "fraud". I did say that something was >wrong with the setup, however. As the trojan code was disabled... > > >> >>Dr. Hyatt doesn't have to worry about this loss because its covered already. > > >Correct. It can no longer be disabled manually, because it is now an auto- >matic thing. > > >> >>Nemeth ISN'T a fraud because its not his fault Crafty 17.11 loads without trojan >>check on. And the non trojan check (default load) crafty chooses hxg5... >> >>But heres the analysis with trojan check enabled... >> >>Nemeth,E - Crafty 17.11 >>[d]rnbq1rk1/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/6B1/2pP3P/2N1P2N/PP3PP1/2RQKB1R b K - 0 1 >> >>Analysis by Crafty 17.11: >> >>8...c5 9.Bxc4 >> = (-0.17) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >>8...hxg5 >> ³ (-0.57) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >>8...Nd5 9.Bxe7 Qxe7 10.Bxc4 Nxc3 11.Rxc3 Qxh4 >> µ (-0.99) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >>8...Nd5 9.Bxe7 Qxe7 10.Bxc4 Nxc3 11.Rxc3 Qxh4 >> µ (-0.99) Depth: 2/12 00:00:00 >>8...Nd5 9.Bxe7 >> µ (-0.99) Depth: 3/12 00:00:00 >>8...Nd5 9.Bxe7 >> µ (-0.99) Depth: 4/16 00:00:00 >>8...Nd5 9.Bxc4 Nxc3 10.Rxc3 Nc6 11.Bxe7 Nxe7 >> ³ (-0.40) Depth: 5/16 00:00:00 >>8...c5 >> µ (-0.79) Depth: 5/16 00:00:00 >>8...c5 >> µ (-0.79) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 12kN >>8...Nc6 9.Bxc4 e5 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.d5 Nb4 >> µ (-0.81) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 92kN >>8...Nc6 9.Bxc4 e5 10.d5 Nb4 11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.Qh5 >> µ (-0.75) Depth: 7/23 00:00:02 288kN >>8...Nc6 9.Bxc4 e5 10.d5 Na5 11.Qe2 Bf5 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 >> µ (-0.93) Depth: 8/26 00:00:07 997kN >>8...Nc6 9.Bxc4 e5 10.d5 Na5 11.Be2 Bf5 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.h5 >> µ (-0.92) Depth: 9/27 00:00:22 3643kN >>8...Nbd7 9.Bxc4 e5 10.d5 Nb6 11.Be2 Bf5 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.h5 >> µ (-0.97) Depth: 9/27 00:00:38 6389kN >>8...Nbd7 9.Bxc4 e5 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.Nd5 Nb6 12.Nxf6+ Qxf6 13.Ng1 exd4 14.Qxd4 Qe7 >>15.Nf3 Nxc4 16.Rxc4 >> µ (-0.96) Depth: 10/30 00:00:57 9935kN >>8...Nbd7 9.Bxc4 e5 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Qxd8 Rxd8 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.Nd5 Nd3+ 14.Bxd3 >>Rxd5 15.Nf4 Rd7 >> µ (-0.96) Depth: 11/31 00:02:05 22769kN >>8...Nbd7 9.Bxc4 e5 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.Nd5 exd4 12.Nxc7 Rb8 13.exd4 Bxh4 14.Bd5 Nb6 >> µ (-0.83) Depth: 12/35 00:04:14 47095kN >> >> >>So Hyatt was right that this problem is dealt with, but also Nemeth isn't >>cheating because its not his fault Chessbase loads crafty with Trojan check off. >> >>Thank you :) > >Never said he "cheated". Just that something was wrong... And not >necessarily something wrong that was caused by him.. This final point was the main reason for Eduard's reaction. He read that in the past as if _he_ must have done something wrong when you remarked that something must have been wrong in the set-up. I think that Ed is so sensitive because he also read or interpreted in the comments by other people, not you, that he might finger all his games through take-backs. He however always stated that this wasn't the case. Ed is primarily a good chessplayer and not his own propaganda minister. Ed is one of very few people here who know how to play chess and he is proud that he can present his tricks and findings to the whole world. Please let's keep that in mind in case we want to smash his reasoning into the trash. I think he has given us good material and we should thank him. All kind of irony or even worse is wrong because Ed did never put on an air of importance about his chessplay. He always said that he once had 2150 Elo which is in US surely 2250. So, he's no master, but also no patzer. Rolf Tueschen
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