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Subject: Re: My game against Crafty - pease, please, translate!

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 14:56:04 07/12/02

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On July 12, 2002 at 17:00:37, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On July 12, 2002 at 16:57:38, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On July 12, 2002 at 16:43:20, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>
>>>On July 12, 2002 at 16:27:44, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 16:05:57, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 15:33:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 12:28:42, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hier alle Partien in der selben Reihenfolge wie im Text, zum besseren
>>>>>>>Nachspielen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[Event "Stufe=Blitz:25'+3"]
>>>>>>>[Site "?"]
>>>>>>>[Date "2000.??.??"]
>>>>>>>[Round "?"]
>>>>>>>[White "Nemeth, Eduard"]
>>>>>>>[Black "Crafty 17.11"]
>>>>>>>[ECO "D54"]
>>>>>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e3 O-O 6. Rc1 h6
>>>>>>>7. h4 dxc4 8. Nh3 hxg5 9. hxg5 Nd5 10. Qh5 f5 11. g6 Nf6
>>>>>>>12. Qh4 Qxd4 13. exd4 Rd8 14. Ng5 1-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is something wrong in _this_ game.  I don't know what version you
>>>>>>are running, nor what interface you are running under, but a normal Crafty
>>>>>>will absolutely _never_ (and I mean NEVER) play black's move 9, hxg5.  It
>>>>>>has _specific_ code to prevent this.
>>>>>
>>>>>This game is correctly , I'm sorry. I played it in "Year 2000" under the
>>>>>Fritz 5.32 or Fritz 6 GUI with the Chassbase tourn. book. After move 14. Ng5
>>>>>the programm resigned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The problem is that a normal crafty will not play the hxg move which opens the
>>>>rook
>>>
>>>Hier Auszug aus meinem Artikel Kapitel "Trojaneropfer" (den sollte man lesen):
>>>
>>>...Jetzt fängt es bei vielen Programmen an zu dämmern. Oft, auch plötzlich
>>>werden die Drohungen erkannt, aber alles Rechnen nützt nun nichts mehr! Tja.
>>>Der einzige Ausweg, das Matt hinaus zu zögern ist nun die Hergabe von viel
>>>Material wie in unserer Musterpartie! Bei manchen Programmen ging nicht einmal
>>>das mehr!"
>>>
>>>Hier möchte ich unbedingt erwähnen dass Crafty eine Option mit Trojan Check
>>>besitzt. Schaltet man diese Option ein, so verschmäht Crafty (zurecht) das Opfer
>>>auf g5!...
>>>
>>>Hier ist mei kompletter Artikel zu finden (leider nur in german, sorry):
>>>
>>>http://f50.parsimony.net/forum200775/messages/298.htm
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Eduard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>file  4-5 years ago we had a player named "mercilous" that used this to
>>>>shred _every_ program on ICC.  I added specific code for this and Crafty has
>>>>not fallen for it in several years.  If you were using the fritz gui, I
>>>>believe it turns that off by default (the trojan check code) for reasons
>>>>unknown.  But recent versions don't allow this to be turned off, it is an
>>>>automatic recognition feature.
>>>>
>>>>In any case, there is _zero_ hope of beating Crafty with this opening
>>>>today...  so it is really a moot issue...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you want, feel free to log on to ICC one night of your choosing and play
>>>>>>"the real crafty" a few games.  This piece sacrifice won't work, ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>I cannot plays on ICC then my english is bad. But I played many games on the
>>>>>new Fritz 7 Server. I play only on the Fritzserver, then it is (Buttons)
>>>>>in german, and for me also easy to plays - on ICC + english-text is for me
>>>>>not easy, I'm sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Eduard
>>
>>Ed, ich sags dir jetzt kurz auf Deutsch. Und denk gründlich nach, bevor du jetzt
>>hier wieder auf den Hosenboden fällst. Bob sagt nirgends, daß du da rumfutelst,
>>sondern er sagt, daß sein Programm seit Jahren diese Einstellmöglichkeit hat. Er
>>setzt fort, daß in ChessBase dieses Feature am Anfang immer abgeschaltet worden
>>war aus unerfindlichen Gründen. Jetzt aber, betont er, ist das nicht mehr
>>möglich. Crafty macht das automatisch.
>>
>>So! Das heißt, diese Partie aus 2000 ist ok. Denn da gabs die automatische
>>Erkennung des Trojaners noch nicht.
>>
>>Wir haben hier also den typischen Fall eines Aneinandervorbeiredens. Bob sagt
>>wie es jetzt ist. Deine Partie aber ist aus 2000. Klar, wenn das damals
>>abgeschaltet war, nimmt Crafty auf g5.
>>
>>Alles klar? Solltest du das noch nicht ganz verstehen, lass uns emailen, aber
>>drück hier bloß nicht wieder auf die Tube. Es gibt keine Vorwürfe, also weshalb
>>jetzt durchstarten?
>>
>>(In English the main points only: I explained the reason for the
>>misunderstanding between Bob and Ed. The game from 2000 with Crafty is ok
>>because the Trojan feature was surely NOT activated. Eduard however thought that
>>Bob wanted to say that the game could not have happened. But this was never what
>>Bob wrote either now or in the past. I hope the controversy is now solved.)
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>
>
>Correct.  The game _could_ have happened in 2000, because the "trojan horse"
>could _could_ be disabled manually.
>
>It can _not_ happen today, because this is automatically enabled when
>appropriate and the trap simply can not work, ever.

I understand now. Thank You, all!

(My game was from Year 2000!, my Artikle "First Chapter (trojan)" too.)


Eduard




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