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Subject: Re: How many professional chess programmers there really is?

Author: fca

Date: 09:28:37 08/06/98

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On August 06, 1998 at 08:29:31, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On August 06, 1998 at 04:28:14, fca wrote:
>>No need whatsoever for speculation.
>
>Aha. Somebody has seen Nessi swimming in Loch Ness.

300 miles south of there.... :-)  Swimming well!

>>Richard _is_ working seriously and full-time on the 32 bit engine,
>
>Die Botschaft hör' ich wohl, allein...

True nonetheless.

>>intended to
>>be significantly stronger than CG5 on modern hardware. I concede that in terms
>>of pure playing strength (ignoring books), the difference between say CG5 and
>>CG3 was not more than between R8 and R9. Richard is well aware of these sorts of
>>views.
>
>But thats nonsense FCA. Upgrades / updates by richard were often NO SOFTWARE
>progress.

Talking only about engines of course (forget features):

MG-->C/MG2 (MEDIUM) and  C/MG2-->CG3 (BIGGER) were both IMO bigger jumps than
later, and maybe *one* of the later jumps was backwards...

>Remember all the dedicated machine time, this was only hardware- and
>also genius times. There was almost no progress anyway !
>How can you relate this with rebel8--->rebel9 , or rebel7--->8 ?!

Please re-read :-).

I said CG3-->CG5 (4 I ignored entirely :-) ) is ***"not more than"*** R8-->R9.
So it can be the same, or less.  We are not saying such different things,
Thorsten!  I never mentioned R7-->R8, which was IMO definitely bigger than
R8-->R9.

>If you would have said rebel6--->7 I would confirm.

I never had R6 so no view other than 2nd-hand.

>YOu forget the history of Richards programs.

No.  I have all that were marketed.  Cyrus-IS-Chess included.
>
>There was often almost NO progress at all. Genius3---> genius4. >Genius4--->5

As I said earlier, let us just look at 3 --> 5.  :-)

Genius 1--->2. etc. Portorosz, almeria, maybe vancouver was a
>progress.

Well, London is better than Amsterdam, *very* clearly (except for girls?).

>Amsterdam to dallas. Almost nothing.

>>  That is why there is a delay.  When it arrives, and I believe it is not
>>imminent, the intention is to depose Fritz from the top of the list.
>
>:-)))

:-)

>I have heard from several programmers now, that they only will come out when
>they definetely throw fritz5 in the dark and bloody grounds where it belongs !
>I see all tribes are reunited ! Thats the best one can imagine. A big enemy all
>others fight against :-)))

Maybe all do not see it exactly that way... And R10 is of course very very
interesting.

>Good to hear !
>I hope it will be before christmas...

Which Christmas?

>>Richard
>>has been #1 for *far* longer than anyone else.  Underestimating him or his
>>persistence may be unwise, therefore!
>
>I was asking if he is still alive.

100% alive 3 hours ago.

>Worrying if he makes ANY kind of progress.

>>BTW it is I/O (for a _true_ Windows product, unlike CG5 for Windows) that is
>>also slowing down development.
>>
>>If you have any "chessic suggestions" you would like Richard to read, Jedi
>>Master or not, please post them here in CCC.
>
>My suggestions are not welcomed by Mr. Ossi Weiner. :-))

That is as it may be, but I am sure others are listening anyway.

>He is still the opinion that you have to compute "accurate", whatever this
>means, he never specified this term...

>>PS: Do not worry, Thorsten, re "marketing suggestions".  The next Genius engine
>>is surely not going to be sold as a module for Fritz.  :-)
>
>ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH - do you want to kill me ?

I said "not".  Should I have said "*** NOT ***" ?

Kill you only in our email game, which I resume after refuting Latvian Gambit of
Mr Innes :-)

Kind regards

fca



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