Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 08:08:40 07/13/02
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On July 13, 2002 at 08:51:33, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 13, 2002 at 05:47:29, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On July 13, 2002 at 04:02:29, Jan Kiwitter wrote: >> >>>On July 13, 2002 at 00:20:02, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>Hi Dan >>> >>>>I think he is around IM level, if I recall correctly. (2100 German rating) >>> >>>In this case your information is wrong. I myself have about 2150 German rating >>>and I am far from playing at IM level. >>> >>>Regards >>>Jan >> >>Some simple truths: >> >>° Human players with FIDE (not US or Britain or some national rankings) Elo >>level of about 2000 or 2100 are incredibly strong amateurs. They all know more >>about chess than any commercial or amateur program. > >I do not believe in it. > >I had fide rating of slightly more than 2000 and I lost it. >I believe that I am at the level of 2000-2100 fide rating(unfortunately a >tournament when I did good results against players with fide rating was not >included in the fide rating). > >My israeli rating that is eqvivalent to fide rating is again more than >2000(2021). > >I expect chess programs to beat me with no opening book >after 1.a3 a6 or 1.h4 h5. > >There are positions when humans with 2000-2100 can play better than the machines >but there are also a lot of positions when machines play better than 2000-2100 >humans. > >> >>° The most important difference between such human amateurs and the progs is not >>their chess but the huge opening books stuff. No amateur is able to know the >>details of so many openings. > >The biggest difference is the speed of the machines. >machines calculates too fast for humans. > >No amatuer is able to search even 1K nodes per second. > >> >>° If such a human expert meets a computer program (with the books) he normally >>has no chance - exception if he could prepare special anti-computerchess. > >> >>° IM start around 2400! With 2150 you are lightyears away from IM. IM know all >>about chess. Know openings until move 30 into the endgames. > > >I do not believe in it. >IM's do not know all about chess(otherwise they could avoid losing games). > >Even kasparov and kramnik do not know all about chess. > >Uri Well I haven proven over and over again IM's and GM's don't know evrything about openings. (Mostlikely a lot more now but much work was involved to prove the givven lines should be the mainlines Rather then givven in an unclear position and the rest is a mather of technique. Chess does not work like that and uncertainys can be punished badly.) Though thanks to some chess publishers some important info is gone. Just like when Nero burned Rome.) Just look how much is changed from 1997 till now. But I hate the bulshit many people make with their won games against chessprograms it is much more wise to see if your lines are corect instead. Or givving remarks on which moves could have saved the game. without it these scores are meaningles. But one thing is treu there still is a gap in the art of defending espacialy in the sector of chessprograms. And the problem of the horizon is maybe a litle solved but not completely. I can give you more examples of that. Some where even played by chessprograms! The first position givven was by the way a position i made a fully analysed comments about in the past. And some of the ways to contineu stand in some openingsbooks. So it was reinventing the wheel. even a child of 6 with an IQ of 50 can replay a game.
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