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Subject: Re: I don't buy Nemeth's claims

Author: Eduard Nemeth

Date: 15:53:23 07/13/02

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On July 13, 2002 at 18:46:39, Eduard Nemeth wrote:

>On July 13, 2002 at 18:15:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 13, 2002 at 12:46:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 13, 2002 at 10:47:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 21:34:43, Telmo Escobar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 12, 2002 at 14:29:17, Louis Fagliano wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>He seems to have replaced John van der Wiel as the leading computer killer (at
>>>>>>least on this board).  Rebel managed to overcome van der Wiel's anti-computer
>>>>>>chess style and beat him in a challenge match.  Since Ed Schroeder has retired
>>>>>>from playing challenge matches against humans, is there anyone with a copy of
>>>>>>Rebel Century 4.0 and a fast computer (sorry, mine's only 500 MHz) and would
>>>>>>want to challenge Mr. Nemeth to a match?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to win using his strategies and you'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to meet Nemeth in the Fritz 7 server, to have him playing any of the
>>>>>CB engines I have in my computer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You might be surprised.  There was a player named "mercilous" on ICC that
>>>>wrecked holy hell on _all_ programs a couple of years ago.
>>>
>>>You forget one important thing and that the programs of today have better
>>>hardware and it make things harder for humans.
>>>
>>>Of course you can win after enough tries but this strategy is not going to work
>>>in most of the cases and GM's are not going to try it when they know that they
>>>may have maybe probability of 10% to win the machine and 90% to get problems.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Better hardware won't do a thing against "mercilous".  He played 1 0, 2 0 and
>>3 0 games.  At those time controls, no hardware is fast enough to see that open-
>>ing the file will get you mated.
>
>here is a game from this Typ on ICC --> Mercilous:
>
>game is from 1997 (I think)!
>
>mercilous (2150) - Data (2660) [A00]
>
> 1.d3 d5 2.Ld2 Sc6 3.h3 e5 4.g3 Lc5 5.e3 Sf6 6.Sa3 0-0 7.h4 Lxa3 8.bxa3 Dd6
>9.Lh3 Lxh3 10.Txh3 Dxa3 11.Sf3 e4 12.Sg5 h6 13.d4 Dd6 14.Lb4 Dxb4+ 15.Kf1 Tab8
>16.Th2 hxg5 17.hxg5 Se8 18.Dh5 Db5+ 19.Kg2 Df1+ 20.Txf1 f5 21.g6 Sd6 22.Dh8# 1-0
>
>
>This moves also are on a Hardware  like 600 MHz a joke, or not?
>
>This Human cannot  beat with this moves  a Program in Year 2001-2002 , I do it.
>
>Eduard

Here 2 games from Fritzserver, my games (wolkenlos is my handle):


[Event "Wertungspartie, 5m + 0s"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wolkenlos"]
[Black "Yoshida, Fritz6"]
[ECO "B21"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 {2} c5 {0} 2. d4 {2} cxd4 {0} 3. h3 {2} Nc6 {9}
4. Bc4 {18 } Nf6 {16} 5. Na3 {1} Nxe4 {11} 6. Bxf7+ {1}
Kxf7 {0} 7. Qh5+ {1 } Ke6 {5} 8. Qg4+ {1} Kd5 {13} 9. c4+
{1} dxc3 {4} 10. f3 {1} Nd6 {6} 11. Ne2 {5} Ke5 {0} 12. Bg5
{2} h5 {18} 13. f4+ {1} Kd5 {7} 14. Nxc3+ {3} Kc5 {8}
15. Qe2 {13} Kb6 {0} 16. Nd5+ { 2} Ka5 {5} 17. b4+ {4} Nxb4
{6} 18. Qd2 {1} b5 {8} 19. Qxb4+ {3} Ka6 {0} 20. Rc1 {3}
Bb7 {10} 21. Nc7+ {1} Qxc7 {2} 22. Rxc7 {1} Rc8 {5}
23. Rxc8 {3} Bxc8 {0} 24. O-O {5} Bb7 {0} 25. Rd1 {3} Bc6
{6} 26. Rxd6 {6} Kb7 {3} 27. Bxe7 {9} Bxe7 {3 } 28. Rxd7+
{1} Bxd7 {4} 29. Qxe7 {1} Kc8 {2} 30. Qc5+ {1} Kd8 {1}
31. Nxb5 {Yoshida rinde 1} 1-0

And here I played in my real name on Fritzserver against Deep Fritz 30' game:


[Event "30m + 0s,Fritzserver"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EduardNemeth"]
[Black "Smurskie, DeepFritz2x1Ghz"]
[WhiteElo "2210"]
[ECO "B23"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 {6} c5 {0} 2. Nc3 {2} a6 {0} 3. g3 {3} b5 {0} 4. Bg2
{5} Bb7 {0} 5. d3 {1} e6 {0} 6. Bd2 {3} d5 {46} 7. Nge2
{40} b4 {37} 8. Nb1 {5} Bd6 {33} 9. O-O {15} Nf6 {63}
10. exd5 {58} Bxd5 {38} 11. Nf4 {108} Bxg2 {43} 12. Nxg2
{8} O-O {76} 13. Bc1 {27 } Nc6 {45} 14. Nd2 {21} Nd4 {37}
15. Nb3 {47} a5 {51} 16. Ne3 {71} a4 {35} 17. Nxd4 {3} cxd4
{10} 18. Nc4 {2} Qc7 {57} 19. Bg5 {91} Ne4 {60} 20. Bd2
{255} Nxd2 {40} 21. Qxd2 {16} Rab8 {23} 22. b3 {33} a3 {45}
23. Rae1 {29} Be7 {36} 24. Qe2 {47} Rb5 {32} 25. Qe4 {121}
Bf6 {20} 26. Kg2 {25} Rc8 {20} 27. Re2 {34} Rd5 {74}
28. Ree1 {47} Qc6 {22} 29. Re2 {7} Rc5 {47} 30. Qxc6 {4}
R5xc6 {6} 31. Rfe1 {4} Kf8 {64} 32. Re4 {6} h5 {33} 33. h3
{10} Ke7 {19} 34. R4e2 {13} g5 {23} 35. g4 {9} Rh8 {38}
36. Rh1 {3} Rcc8 {32} 37. Ree1 {9} Rh7 {48} 38. f3 {3} Rch8
{ 13} 39. Ref1 {20} e5 {24} 40. Re1 {15} Ke6 {20} 41. Ref1
{2} Be7 {11} 42. Re1 {1} Bd6 {20} 43. Ref1 {57} Rh6 {13}
44. Re1 {3} R8h7 {8} 45. Ref1 {1} Be7 {9} 46. Re1 {1} f6
{7} 47. Ref1 {1} Bc5 {12} 48. Re1 {EduardNemeth bietet
Remis 2} Rh8 {0} 49. Ref1 {1} Bd6 {13} 50. Re1 {1} R8h7 {8}
51. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 52. Re1 { 1} Rh8 {19} 53. Ref1 {1}
Bc5 {7} 54. Re1 {1} Be7 {12} 55. Ref1 {1} Kc5 {11} 56. Re1
{1} R6h7 {13} 57. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 58. Re1 {1} Bd6 {6}
59. Ref1 {1} Rc7 {21} 60. Re1 {1} Rhh7 { 22} 61. Ref1 {3}
h4 {5} 62. Re1 {9} Bc5 {0} 63. Re4 {6} Rc8 { 2} 64. Rhe1
{2} Kc6 {6} 65. R1e2 {2} Rhc7 {7} 66. Re1 {0} Re7 {4}
67. R1e2 {1} Kb5 {9} 68. Re1 {1} Rc6 {5} 69. R1e2 {1} Rb7
{6} 70. Re1 {1} Bd6 {8} 71. R1e2 {1} Rd7 {5} 72. Re1 {2}
Kc5 {4} 73. R1e2 {1} Kd5 {7} 74. Re1 {1} Rdc7 {6} 75. R1e2
{1} Rc8 {4} 76. Re1 {1} Rb8 {3} 77. R1e2 {1} Rg8 {4}
78. Re1 {1} Rg7 {4} 79. R1e2 {1} Kc5 {3} 80. Re1 {1} Bc7
{4} 81. R1e2 {1} Rg8 {5} 82. Re1 {1} Rc8 {5} 83. R1e2 {1}
Bd6 {4} 84. Re1 {1} Ra6 {2} 85. R1e2 {1} Ra7 {EduardNemeth
bietet Remis 4} 86. Re1 {3} Kc6 {1} 87. R1e2 {1} Rac7 {7}
88. Re1 {1} Be7 {4} 89. R1e2 {4} Bf8 {5} 90. Re1 {1} Kb5
{3} 91. R1e2 {1} Rc6 {4} 92. Re1 {1} R8c7 {2} 93. R1e2 {1}
Bc5 {4} 94. Re1 {1} Ra6 {4} 95. R1e2 {1 } Rcc6 {2} 96. Re1
{1} Ra8 {3} 97. R1e2 {0} Rac8 {5} 98. Re1 {1} Bd6 {2}
99. R1e2 {1} Ra6 {7} 100. Re1 {1} Kc6 {4} 101. R1e2 {1} Kd5
{3} 102. Re1 {1} Rf8 {3} 103. R1e2 {2} Rf7 {0 } 104. Re1
{1} Rc6 {1} 105. R1e2 {1} Bc7 {2} 106. Re1 {1} Rf8 {2}
107. R1e2 {1} Bd6 {3} 108. Re1 {1} Rc7 {0} 109. R1e2 {1}
Rb8 {1} 110. Re1 {1} Rb5 {0} 111. R1e2 {1} Rcc5 {2} 1/2-1/2

Belive you now?

Regards,
Eduard





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