Author: Uri Blass
Date: 06:47:55 07/14/02
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On July 13, 2002 at 15:23:08, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On July 13, 2002 at 08:51:33, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 13, 2002 at 05:47:29, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>>On July 13, 2002 at 04:02:29, Jan Kiwitter wrote: >>> >>>>On July 13, 2002 at 00:20:02, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi Dan >>>> >>>>>I think he is around IM level, if I recall correctly. (2100 German rating) >>>> >>>>In this case your information is wrong. I myself have about 2150 German rating >>>>and I am far from playing at IM level. >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jan >>> >>>Some simple truths: >>> >>>° Human players with FIDE (not US or Britain or some national rankings) Elo >>>level of about 2000 or 2100 are incredibly strong amateurs. They all know more >>>about chess than any commercial or amateur program. >> >>I do not believe in it. >> >>I had fide rating of slightly more than 2000 and I lost it. >>I believe that I am at the level of 2000-2100 fide rating(unfortunately a >>tournament when I did good results against players with fide rating was not >>included in the fide rating). >> >>My israeli rating that is eqvivalent to fide rating is again more than >>2000(2021). >> >>I expect chess programs to beat me with no opening book >>after 1.a3 a6 or 1.h4 h5. >> >>There are positions when humans with 2000-2100 can play better than the machines >>but there are also a lot of positions when machines play better than 2000-2100 >>humans. > >I hope you didn't read me as if I had said that amateurs could beat commercial >progs at will. > > >> >>> >>>° The most important difference between such human amateurs and the progs is not >>>their chess but the huge opening books stuff. No amateur is able to know the >>>details of so many openings. >> >>The biggest difference is the speed of the machines. >>machines calculates too fast for humans. >> >>No amatuer is able to search even 1K nodes per second. > >Why should he need to do that? This is only important in sharp tactical >positions. This is important in almost every position and not only in sharp tactical positions. Humans can find better positional moves by searching deeper even in quiet positions. Chess programs can also find better moves by searching deeper. I believe that programs have no chance against GMs if you let them to change their mind only when they see a move that is at least 0.3 pawns better. Uri
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