Author: Steve Coladonato
Date: 04:09:26 07/15/02
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On July 14, 2002 at 17:51:57, Shane Hudson wrote:
>On July 14, 2002 at 17:37:40, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:
>
>>On July 14, 2002 at 17:01:46, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>
>>>On July 14, 2002 at 14:25:09, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 14, 2002 at 12:42:31, Steve Coladonato wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 13, 2002 at 14:17:54, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 13, 2002 at 12:44:05, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From what I can see, CA 6.1 exports game bases in a pseudo-pgn format. Does
>>>>>>>anyone know of a program which will read these and output standard pgn?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it is the special escape strings, you can turn it off with unmarking
>>>>>>tools\options\general\use ca markup in pgn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For other problems you can use the extract32 tool. I guess you will find it on
>>>>>>most download pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>oddGM
>>>>>
>>>>>The biggest problem I have is that CA exports a "Z0" symbol in the pgn file. I
>>>>>don't know what it is but SCID doesn't like it. Do you happen to know what this
>>>>>symbol is? Unmarking the "use ca markup in pgn" option doesn't remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve
>>>>
>>>>Hi.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think I have seen this, do you have an sample?
>>>>
>>>>Anyway after you turn off the marker you have to restart CA to get it to work.
>>>>
>>>>I have made a command for pgn-files in the explorer assosiation box so I can run
>>>>a converter tool just by right clicking on them and select a convert command.
>>>>
>>>>Here is the cmd file that is running:
>>>>
>>>>del tmp0tmp.pgn
>>>>d:\Utility\PGNBeauty.exe %1 tmp0tmp.pgn
>>>>del %1
>>>>d:\utility\Extract32.exe -a%1 tmp0tmp.pgn
>>>>del tmp0tmp.pgn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PGNBeaty is just a little tool to remove unneeded pgn headers (empty headers).
>>>>
>>>>I run it whenever I shall share some pgn-files with other's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I took some heavy gamefiles with comment and variation but could not find your
>>>>"Z0" in any of them.
>>>>
>>>>Odd Gunnar
>>>
>>>
>>>If you export the "Elite" database to PGN format, you should get a "Z0" symbol
>>>at the following game.
>>>
>>>Error reading move in game Polgar Judit (GM) (HUN) - Granda Zuniga Julio E
>>>(PER), 1995: Kh8
>>>
>>>There are many games in the file that have that "Z0" symbol. I didn't restart
>>>CA after turning off the marker so that may be where the problem is. I'll check
>>>it and get back to you. (I'm mainly running Linux and have to reboot to
>>>Windows).
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>
>>Ok, I see it.
>>
>>30.Nd6 Bxf6 31.Qxf7+ Z0 ( 31...Kh8 32.Ne8 Ra6 33.Bf8 $18 ) 1-0
>>
>>Z0 is a nullmove.
>>
>>As I can see so isn't this covered by the standard. Chessbase have their own
>>implemation of these too. I don't know about scid, you could try to see how it
>>save a null move in pgn and use a replace tool on the file.
>>
>>I didn't follow the pgn debat on rgcc but if this wasn't up someone should
>>suggest some sort of nullmove/anymove for Steven Edwards so he gets it in when
>>he revise the standard. Hopefully with something that is easy to do a text
>>replace on CA/CB files to get them compatible.
>>
>>Odd Gunnar
>
>I have deliberately not implemented null moves in Scid yet, until there
>is some recognition of them in a revised PGN standard. In general a game
>with null moves may not be able to be converted to standard compliant PGN
>without losing some information (e.g. cutting off variations at the point
>where the null move occurs), but in the example given,
> 31.Qxf7+ ZO ( 31...Kh8 {...} )
>could be converted to
> 31.Qxf7+ ( 31.Qxf7+ 31...Kh8 {...} )
>so if the only use of "ZO"-denoted null moves in a PGN file is at the
>end of the game as in that example, it should be fairly easy to convert
>them with a regular expression.
>
>Shane
Shane,
The null move indicator, "Z0" does not occur just at the end of game. Some of
the games have it in the middle and, I believe, multiple occurances.
Steve
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