Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 08:27:49 07/15/02
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On July 15, 2002 at 01:05:06, Harald Faber wrote:
>On July 14, 2002 at 11:58:11, Marc van Hal wrote:
>
>>On July 14, 2002 at 09:25:34, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>
>>>On July 14, 2002 at 09:10:37, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 14, 2002 at 08:16:53, pavel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hey Tony,
>>>>> When can we expect the next SSDF list?
>>>>>
>>>>>cheers,
>>>>>pavs
>>>>
>>>>So why does this happen? Maybe this is a new version which is stronger now? Has
>>>>this version ever been on the ssdf list yet?
>>>
>>>Probably not.
>>>
>>>>And in the past, Shredder often has great successes whereas its induvidual
>>>>results and ssdf are not usually the very top.
>>>>S.Taylor
>>>
>>>Perhaps Stefan have a special tournament book. And in matchplay Shredders
>>>learning might not be as good as the top programs. But this is just guesses
>>>from me, I don't know.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>
>>If that would be treu the tournaments should demand the book which comes with
>>the comercial program has to been used.
>>Why is is it in chessworld always that so many people want to create unfair
>>circumstances
>>All these people who do so don't belong at the noble sport of chess.
>>Chess is the search for treuth!
>>not lies.
>>Besides there are already more then enough lies outside the chessworld.
>>So no need for with in.
>>
>>Marc van Hal
>
>Don't you think that the other teams have their own book for tourneys like wccc?
>Of course they have.
>And don't you think that providing these books in a comercial version would give
>a (small?) advantage out of hand for the next championships?
>Can you imagine that the commercial book also has the target to provide a wide
>book so that YOU have fun to play with? E.g. although the King's Indian is no
>preferred opening choice for a computer to play black, this opening is still in
>several opening books. Guess why.
The Kings Indian also is not good for a chessprogram to play with from the White
side
And I back to difer if it is not good for Black from a chessprograms side.
I even know why some programs give the black side a disadvantage from initial
positions.
And chessprogrammers can learn something out of it
Because a) the space advantage for White
b)Kingsafety if you increase this even more the program starts
to think it is better to have more space for the king so the mobilety increases
wich is basicly more corect!
Juniors evalution is already diferent from these positions compared with the
other programs.
You also did not read my mesage right it is not an attack against Schredder it
is an attack on the rules used in chess tournaments.
If chessprograms use an other book then the comercial version has.
The customer is tempted to think he buys the same program with the same book
As the one wich was used in the tournament.
And special tournament books can give a higher elo then the one with the
comercial books
If you later on sell the program with the anoucement winner of the WCCC 2002
It is mis informing the customer.
It doesnt mather wich program wins.
Regards Marc
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