Author: Omid David
Date: 09:09:14 07/15/02
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On July 15, 2002 at 09:52:51, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 15, 2002 at 08:10:10, Omid David wrote: > >>On July 15, 2002 at 07:36:08, GuyHaworth wrote: >> >>> >>>Deep Blue II beat Kasparov fair and square ... GK should not imply otherwise if >>>he is. >>> >>>However, he is probably correct in saying that silicon chess players are not yet >>>as good as carbon ones. >>> >>>The misguided impression that computers are now better than the best humans has, >>>in the recent past, arguably subtracted interested from: >>> >>>a) computer-computer chess >>> >>>b) computer-human chess, and maybe even >>> >>>c) human-human chess. >>> >>>Maybe FIDE, the ICGA and Kasparov together should correct that impression, and >>>jointly declare that: >>> >>>a) the comparison of the best human and computer chess players is still an >>>'open question' and that >> >>It's not an 'open question'! as Smirin recently proved, humans are still far >>superior than computers. Kasparov's loss was a terrible bad luck (+ dirty tricks >>on IBM's behalf). >> >>I strongly believe that all chess programs are dump, not being able to see some >>of the obvious positional elements in a position. If a chess program like Junior >>or Fritz loses 5 games in 100 to me (2250 Elo), it means that computers are by >>no means superior to humans. (I certainly won't be able to beat a 2700 Elo Human >>5 times in 100 matches!) > >I agree that computers today are not better than humans but the fact that you >can beat programs 5 out of 100 games is not a proof that computers are not >superior. > >You can also do the same against a player that play perfect in 95% of the games >and at the level of 1600 at 5% of the games but this player can win a match >against every human. > >I also doubt if you can show me a position from your games when all the chess >programs are dumb. My beloved example: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 King's Indian Defence - Classical Variation Show me a program that knows to deal correctly with black's/white's attack. e.g. doesn't play h3 when black is threatening to play ...g4 > >There is more than 100 free chess programs and I suspect that even if Fritz or >Junior are dumb one of the free chess program may be not dumb in the relevant >position. > >Uri
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