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Subject: Re: Humans are far superior than computers...

Author: Omid David

Date: 09:09:14 07/15/02

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On July 15, 2002 at 09:52:51, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 15, 2002 at 08:10:10, Omid David wrote:
>
>>On July 15, 2002 at 07:36:08, GuyHaworth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Deep Blue II beat Kasparov fair and square ... GK should not imply otherwise if
>>>he is.
>>>
>>>However, he is probably correct in saying that silicon chess players are not yet
>>>as good as carbon ones.
>>>
>>>The misguided impression that computers are now better than the best humans has,
>>>in the recent past, arguably subtracted interested from:
>>>
>>>a)  computer-computer chess
>>>
>>>b)  computer-human chess, and maybe even
>>>
>>>c)  human-human chess.
>>>
>>>Maybe FIDE, the ICGA and Kasparov together should correct that impression, and
>>>jointly declare that:
>>>
>>>a)  the comparison of the best human and computer chess players is still an
>>>'open question' and that
>>
>>It's not an 'open question'! as Smirin recently proved, humans are still far
>>superior than computers. Kasparov's loss was a terrible bad luck (+ dirty tricks
>>on IBM's behalf).
>>
>>I strongly believe that all chess programs are dump, not being able to see some
>>of the obvious positional elements in a position. If a chess program like Junior
>>or Fritz loses 5 games in 100 to me (2250 Elo), it means that computers are by
>>no means superior to humans. (I certainly won't be able to beat a 2700 Elo Human
>>5 times in 100 matches!)
>
>I agree that computers today are not better than humans but the fact that you
>can beat programs 5 out of 100 games is not a proof that computers are not
>superior.
>
>You can also do the same against a player that play perfect in 95% of the games
>and at the level of 1600 at 5% of the games but this player can win a match
>against every human.
>
>I also doubt if you can show me a position from your games when all the chess
>programs are dumb.

My beloved example:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7
King's Indian Defence - Classical Variation

Show me a program that knows to deal correctly with black's/white's attack. e.g.
doesn't play h3 when black is threatening to play ...g4


>
>There is more than 100 free chess programs and I suspect that even if Fritz or
>Junior are dumb one of the free chess program may be not dumb in the relevant
>position.
>
>Uri



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