Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 23:18:41 07/15/02
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On July 16, 2002 at 02:12:03, Dann Corbit wrote: >On July 16, 2002 at 02:02:18, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On July 15, 2002 at 23:57:52, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On July 15, 2002 at 23:48:42, Kevin Strickland wrote: >>> >>>>Hello everyone, >>>> >>>>As the question of having a WCCC in North America has generated much interest I >>>>am organising a "World" Championship in North America. Here are the details as I >>>>have them now: >>>> >>>>- The event will be held at the local university during the long weekend in >>>>August 2003, being the 1st through the 4th. Secondary site will be the Edmonton >>>>Chess Club. Good venue, spectator support. >>>> >>>>- The time control will be 40/2 + 30 mins for rest of game. Swiss system will be >>>>used. >>>> >>>>- There will be no entrance fee, although if at the Edmonton Chess Club a $20 >>>>CDN "donation" would be helpful. >>>> >>>>- There is a computer sponsor as well who will supply computers in exchange for >>>>advertising. The event is also a _non_ micro event. Participants can bring any >>>>mahine they would like. It is open hardware. >>>> >>>>- Lodgings will be at the Campus Suite Hotel. I have made arrangements there for >>>>very cheap rates. They also have a terrific restraunt below them, and the >>>>University area has about 200 places to dine. You can easily eat 3 meals in that >>>>area for about $20 US a day.. very cheap. ( $30 CDN ) >>>> >>>>- Authors are not mandatory, but I must say the more the better. >>>> >>>>- As the controvery came about regarding opening books, if a program does not >>>>"own" the book, it can not use it. Even if one has approval from another author. >>>>Giving permission to one and not to another seems like playing favorites, so I >>>>will just eliminate the problem. >>> >> >>Hello: >> >>Here, the Rules about the Opening Books of the WCCC Maasstricht 2002 >>(http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/Olympiad2002/) in the Rules Section: >> >>"... 12. Additional Rule 1 >>Any participant is allowed to use any book (opening book) they have permission >>to use. The same book author is allowed to compete more than once with the same >>book or a different book. >> >>13. Additional Rule 2 >>Each participant should mention the book author(s) in the list of program >>authors. The participant is obliged to allow the Tournament Director to inspect >>the opening book for its contents and origine. ..." >> >>The only word that I don't like in these Rules are the word "should" in the Rule >>13. Instead of, the Rule must say: >> >>"Each participant MUST mention the book author(s)..." Is it really so that no engine used a Carlos Pesce book? I think probably the table is incomplete or in error. >>As Jeroen Noomen has pointed out several times in this Forum, it is not >>permissible to use any book without the Book Creator Authorization. >> >>As the Diep Book Tournament Creator, it is not a clean competition to use any >>Book for a chess program during a Tournament without revealing who is the >>Creator. >> >>>I don't think that eliminates anything except most of the chess programs. >> >>This is not true. >> >>1) Read the Page 4 of the WCCC 2002 Bulletin 5: >> >>http://www.cs.unimaas.nl/Olympiad2002/bulletin/Bulletin5.doc >> >>There, you can read a Table with all the Book Creators of the chess programs. I >>don't see any program using ANY BOOK. Every Author pointed out the Source of the >>Book, including a pgn source for some Books. For those that name an author, the author is not the same as the program. I suspect that the others have some sort of help or used a special PGN collection (perhaps TWIC or something, but there is no mention for most of the programs). >>2)Read the information of Leiden 2002] >> >>http://www.computerschaak.nl/partic02t.html >> >>Here again, you can read the complete information of the Opening Book Creators. >>When not mentioned, it means the same Chess Program Author created the Book. >> >>>I doubt if anyone except Vincent wrote his own book. >> >>No, this is not correct. Alexander Kure writes the Fritz, Brutus and Nimzo >>Books. Jeroen Noomen writes the Tiger and Century Books and so on. Carlos Pesce >>writes books for several Amateur Engines and so on..... Yes, that is what I said. The engine authors generally do NOT write their own books. You seem to have read the opposite of what I have written. >>I reiterate you to read again the List of the Mentioned Tournaments. >> >>> >>>>Now any of these details can change as the event is a year away. >>>> >>>>If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to email me. >> >>I hope this Tournament is successful for the Americas and it would be very >>pleaseant to such a Tournament in North America. > >If I understood correctly, what you have pointed out from the current rules is >what is supposed to be prevented. > >Obviously, you cannot use an opening book without permission. That would be >wrong. The problem seems to be with sharing the same book among several >entrants. Or something like that. > >At any rate, I do not see any purpose to deny a book (even a specally prepared >one) if the author of the book has given permission. That includes a book with >a million computer hours spent on the sole purpose of beating Fritz (or >whomever).
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