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Subject: Re: Kasparov's comment on losing to Deep Blue

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:18:38 07/16/02

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On July 16, 2002 at 04:55:43, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On July 15, 2002 at 19:32:18, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On July 15, 2002 at 12:27:17, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>On July 15, 2002 at 12:09:51, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 15, 2002 at 09:38:23, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Websters: "to make a person believe what is not true". "to be false".
>>>>>"deliberate misinterpretation of facts".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you think Kasparov means by "deceive the public".
>>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov On losing to Deep Blue:
>>>>> "The Deep Blue match is the one people remember.
>>>>> It was not just a personal defeat but a disaster for chess. We allowed a
>>>>> computer giant to steal the result and deceive the public".
>>>>>
>>>>>http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=410
>>>>>
>>>>>kburcham
>>>>
>>>>I think Kasparov was implying that the Deep Blue team cheated.  He simply could
>>>>not accept the fact that the computer beat him fair and square.  There is no
>>>>medicine that can cure a bruised ego when it is world class in size.
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>>If that would be the case, we wouldn't have to face the situation that GM
>>>players have excluded CC from human tournament chess. They all agree with
>>>Kasparov that it wasn't DEEP BLUE2's strength alone.
>>>
>>
>>Absolute nonsense!   "They all agree" ????  They can't all agree on ANYTHING.
>>Also GM players have not excluded computers from human chess tournaments.  Where
>>did you get that info?  GM players as a group can't agree on the time of day.
>>Jim
>
>Such hip-hop makes no sense. You were talking about a "bruised ego". Are you a
>psychiatrist? If not, then you might understand what I was talking about. Do you
>challenge me and think that there is _no_ evidence for what I've written? If
>yes, then let me give you three hints.
>
>1) Unzicker a famous German GM, BTW more famous than all the ex-Soviet GM in the
>USA together, spoke it out, what I wrote above.
>
>2) GM at the Dutch Championship denied to play FRITZ with different variations
>of boycott.

Only a couple.  Not "all"...



>
>3) The resolution of FIDE about machines in top event and also team
>championships.
>

What about the "resolution" 10 years ago that computers could play if
they coughed up $10,000 to FIDE for membership?  Nobody did because it
was too much money.  So FIDE rescinded the option, probably hoping that
one day they would get asked again to open that back up and make some
money.





>Mathematically we still have no 100% but we have _more_ than "absolutely"
>nothing. ;)


Actually you have "very few".  I don't even think "most GMs" have given the
question any thought since it isn't an issue in FIDE events.



>
>Rolf Tueschen



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