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Subject: Re: Humans are far superior than computers...

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 15:50:26 07/16/02

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On July 16, 2002 at 16:08:01, Amir Ban wrote:

>On July 15, 2002 at 08:10:10, Omid David wrote:
>
>>
>>I strongly believe that all chess programs are dump, not being able to see some
>>of the obvious positional elements in a position. If a chess program like Junior
>>or Fritz loses 5 games in 100 to me (2250 Elo), it means that computers are by
>>no means superior to humans. (I certainly won't be able to beat a 2700 Elo Human
>>5 times in 100 matches!)
>>
>
>A 2700 Elo player is 450 rating points better and so should beat you about 10 to
>1.
>
>If you score only 5% against a program, then its rating is higher than 2700.
>
>Amir

First my gratulations for the title!

Then to your statement. It's by no means reasonable. Perhaps the human
chessplayer has difficulties with memorizing openings while you have the big
databases form GM chess.

In general you should always be aware of that chess strength is a matter of the
games and not simple arithmetics. For me it's very troubling that you speak of
more than 2700 Elo as if that could be possible for your program or any other.

However numbers above 2500 should be absolutely taboo for computerchess. If it
happens, fine, but talking about it as if it's quite normal yet, this is fantasy
*IMO*. Computers still have too much weeknesses to be exploited by experienced
GM.

(GM above 2500 would find the move Qxf2 in your game against SHREDDER in 5
seconds...)

Rolf Tueschen



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