Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 03:27:20 07/17/02
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On July 17, 2002 at 05:56:52, Nicolas GUIBERT wrote: > >>After reading the posts of others, I think that one thing should be made clear. >>I think you should decide what kind of tournament this is going to be, then >>develop the rest of it around it. For example, if it was going to be a "world >>championship", then (IMO) the goal is to determine the best engine in the world. >>If that is your goal, I would expect longer time controls... > >NO NO NO > >If you want to try and determine the best engine, do not play at longer time >controls !!!!!! > >BUT... Do play a lot more games with shorter time controls. > >Then you will get a more reliable result ! > >I have never understood why computer chess competitions are so slow. For human >players, this is understandable. For computers, it is just nonsense. I believe >that this has to do with history. The first competitions had to be played slowly >because the computers were terribly bad at Chess (low depths)... But that was 20 >years ago ! Computer science evolved quite a bit since then. > >Do you like playing random tournaments or do you really want to get an accurate >picture of the computer chess landscape ? Absolutely. The biggest problem (as I see it) is the quality of the games with the longer time controls. After all, we won't see any brilliancies like these at G/90 or slower on fast hardware: [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.07.28"] [Round "2"] [White "Beowulf-16b"] [Black "ExChess-311"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "B12a"] [Variation "Caro-Kann: 2.d4"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 c6 2. d4 f6 3. f4 h6 4. Qh5+ g6 5. Qxg6# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.06.27"] [Round "1"] [White "Amy"] [Black "Tao44"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C48n"] [Variation "Four Knights: Rubinstein, 5.Ba4"] [TimeControl "60"] 1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Bb5 Nd4 5. Ba4 Bd6 6. O-O c6 7. Nxd4 exd4 8. Ne2 Qa5 9. Bb3 Qh5 10. Nxd4 Qxh2# 0-1 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.07.26"] [Round "1"] [White "AnMon-510"] [Black "Holmes-040"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C44r"] [Variation "Scotch: Lolli Variation"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 Nxd4 4. Nxe5 c5 5. Bc4 Ne6 6. O-O Ng5 7. Bxg5 a6 8. Bxf7# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.07.27"] [Round "1"] [White "Bringer-18"] [Black "Amy-07"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "A00k"] [Variation "Van Kruijs"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e3 Nc6 2. Bb5 Nf6 3. Ne2 e5 4. f4 Bd6 5. fxe5 Bxe5 6. d4 Bxh2 7. Rxh2 O-O 8. Nf4 Ne4 9. Nc3 Nxc3 10. Qh5 Nxb5 11. Qxh7# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.01"] [Round "1"] [White "Grizzly-125"] [Black "Amyan-111"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "E20"] [Variation "Nimzo-Indian Defence"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e4 Nxe4 5. d5 Qf6 6. dxe6 Qxf2# 0-1 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.01"] [Round "1"] [White "Grizzly-125"] [Black "GNU Chess v5.02"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "A43"] [Variation "Old Benoni: 2.dxc5"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. d4 c5 2. dxc5 e6 3. Qxd7+ Bxd7 4. e4 Bxc5 5. e5 Qh4 6. Be3 Bxe3 7. Bd3 Qxf2+ 8. Kd1 Qxg2 9. Bxh7 Qf1# 0-1 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.07.30"] [Round "2"] [White "Knightx-154"] [Black "ExChess-311"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "B12a"] [Variation "Caro-Kann: 2.d4"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 c6 2. d4 f6 3. Bd3 Na6 4. Nf3 Nb4 5. O-O Nh6 6. Bxh6 gxh6 7. Ng5 hxg5 8. Qh5# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.01"] [Round "2"] [White "LordKing-29D"] [Black "GNU Chess v5.02"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "B00"] [Opening "Carr's defence"] [Variation "Ilyin-Genevsky variation (with b3)"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 h6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 e6 4. Nge2 Nc6 5. Bf4 Bb4 6. Rc1 Nxe4 7. Rg1 Qh4 8. Bxc7 Qxf2# 0-1 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.01"] [Round "2"] [White "Storm-006"] [Black "Grizzly-125"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "D00m"] [Variation "Queen's Pawn: Veresov Attack"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nb5 Qd5 5. Nxc7+ Ke7 6. Nxd5+ Ke6 7. Nc7+ Kxe5 8. Nf3+ Ke4 9. Qd3# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.01"] [Round "1"] [White "Gromit3"] [Black "Mint v2.3"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "C43j"] [Variation "Russian Game: Modern Attack, 3...Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Qh4 6. Ke2 Qxf2# 0-1 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "DANNFAST"] [Date "2001.08.03"] [Round "1"] [White "LordKing-29"] [Black "Green Light Chess v2.13"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C03"] [Variation "French: Tarrasch, 3...b6"] [TimeControl "15"] 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 b6 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. exd5 exd5 6. Bd3 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. Re1 Bb7 9. Qe2 Re8 10. Ne5 Nc6 11. Ndf3 Nb4 12. Nxf7 Kxf7 13. Qe6+ Kf8 14. Ng5 Ng4 15. Nxh7# 1-0 [Event "Computer chess game"] [Site "MWMCKEE"] [Date "2001.07.21"] [Round "1"] [White "ZChess-120"] [Black "Ghost-13"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "B02h"] [Variation "Alekhine: Scandinavian, Exchange, 4.Bc4"] [TimeControl "60"] 1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. exd5 Nxd5 4. Bc4 Nxc3 5. Qf3 Nxa2 6. Bxf7+ Kd7 7. Qd5# 1-0 The true beauteous wonder that is "lightning chess" makes me pine for the days when all games will be run at G/1 minute or faster.
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