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Subject: Re: World Computer Chess Championship in North America.. revised

Author: Scott Gasch

Date: 13:43:32 07/17/02

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On July 17, 2002 at 04:52:52, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On July 16, 2002 at 21:26:15, Peter Kappler wrote:
>
>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:38:38, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:36:23, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:35:46, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:30:17, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:28:08, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 16, 2002 at 19:22:18, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>A very strong message is sent by simply having a successful event.  The ICCA is
>>>>>>>>of the opinion that computer chess is dead outside of Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why not get the ICCA involved?  Why can't they officially sanction it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They won't allow it to be a WCCC, because they already have that set up for next
>>>>>>year, presumably because Donninger asked for the 2003 event last year, and the
>>>>>>ICCA said yes, without exploring the possibility of doing an event in North
>>>>>>America, because computer chess outside of Europe is dead.
>>>>>
>>>>>It does not have to be a WCCC.  In FIDE or USCF not every event is a
>>>>>championship, and yet we have huge events.  Consider Hoogovens, Wijk An Zee,
>>>>>Linares, etc.  Big, earth-shaking events but not necessarily having any
>>>>>connection to a world championship.
>>>>
>>>>That being the case, why not?  This is another reason NOT to call it a WCCC.
>>>
>>>I don't see an ICGA sactioning and a WCCC as being the same thing.  The ICGA
>>>could give official sanction to an event which is not a WCCC.  That was the
>>>point I was trying to make.
>>>
>>>I think it will be more interesting to the best professional programs if it is
>>>an "official" event, rather than:
>>>"The world championship of somebody's basement in Edmonton."
>>
>>
>>Bob Hyatt posted last week that ICCA charges a $35,000 fee to have their name
>>associated with an event.
>>
>>I don't know if they actually do anything in return for this money.  They sure
>>as hell don't use it to promote the event, or to subsidize travel fees, or to
>>support any type of live internet coverage.
>>
>
>They have never made any secret of the fact that they use this money to
>subsidize the production of the ICCA (now ICGA) Journal. The Journal publishes
>an annual accounts statement which makes this clear.
>
>Andrew
>

This is a serious question, not a troll:

Is this the same ICCA Journal that costs $40 for a yearly subscription?  And
comes out 4 times per year?  Or is there some other publication these tournament
fees are subsidizing?

If we are talking about the ICCA Journal I know of then $10 an issue certainly
should be adequate to cover costs.  I don't blame people for making a living but
to say these huge tournament association fees cover publication costs of a
journal that is also grossly overpriced is naive -- if we're talking about the
same journal here.

Scott



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