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Subject: Re: shortest mate test position that programs cannot find

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:33:28 07/20/02

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On July 20, 2002 at 14:11:30, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On July 20, 2002 at 10:32:25, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On July 20, 2002 at 04:12:37, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On July 19, 2002 at 23:07:20, allan johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 19, 2002 at 23:05:58, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 19, 2002 at 21:23:19, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>what is the shortest "mate in x moves" position that you know of that programs
>>>>>>have a diffcult time finding or cannot find at all? Please, not e4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>will you please post the position?
>>>>>>kburcham
>>>>>
>>>>>I tested some programs on this mate in 1 and some didn't see it. I don't
>>>>>remember now which engines couldn't find it.
>>>>>[D]5K2/8/2qk4/2nPp3/3r4/6B1/B7/3R4 w - e6 0 1
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>I think that this is not the fair way to test
>>>
>>>You should give programs the following position
>>>
>>>[D]5K2/4p3/2qk4/2nP4/3r4/6B1/B7/3R4 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>play e5 and see if they cannot see the mate in 1.
>>>
>>>In other case you use a bug that programs do not
>>>support Fen correctly.
>>>
>>>My latest Movei still ignores the en passant in supporting Fen
>>>so it is unfair to say that it cannot see the mate in 1.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>The poster asked for a test position and that's what i posted. So whether it's
>>fair or not is not revelant.
>>Regards
>>Dave
>
>Catch 22:o) If you use Uri's position, then 1...Kd7 avoiding mate.
>If you give Dave's position to the computer, it won't understand there is an
>en passant, as the move e7-e5 isn't in the computers history.

There is a 3th possibility.

1)Give the computer My position.
2)play e7-e5
3)ask the computer to analyze.

Uri



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