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Subject: Re: Null-Move: Difference between R = 2 and R = 3 in action

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 00:36:23 07/21/02

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On July 21, 2002 at 03:29:51, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 21, 2002 at 03:16:40, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>On July 20, 2002 at 22:22:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On July 20, 2002 at 08:13:44, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 20, 2002 at 08:04:01, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think it matters "a factor of 2".
>>>>>
>>>>>1) it helps you to prune
>>>>>2) you get better evaluation in the upper plies when you can return a score
>>>>>based on a deeper search.
>>>>>
>>>>>number one will show itself directly because you iterate deeper, the second one
>>>>>you don't "see", but it does improve depth along some branches in the same way.
>>>>
>>>>1) I get +- 10% hash hits (and less prunes) in typical middlegame. Not enough to
>>>>matter a factor of two (but I didnt check this so not 100% sure).
>>>>
>>>>2) Uh?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>GCP
>>>
>>>
>>>Run your program with a tiny hash and a deep search.  Then a big hash and
>>>a deep search.  In middlegame positions this will be at least a factor of
>>>2x.  Measure time to depth.  Small hash might take 4 minutes to get to depth
>>>12, then big hash will take around 2 minutes...
>>
>>You shouldn't measure time to ply, that would not give you the full benefit of
>>the hash. You should use time to find the right move.
>>
>>I have never seen the hash bring only a factor of 2, even in middlegame.
>>Last I tested I saw a mate in 5 being solved in 1/4 of the nodes with the hash.
>
>Do you use killer moves?
>
>I know that at least in version 1.17 you do not do it.
>
>Not using killer moves can increase the advantage
>of hash tables.

That is right, for some reason they increased the size of the tree.
I found an error in my validate move rutine, perhaps it's time to try them
again:)

But I still say time-to-ply is not the right way of testing, a "ply" is
meaningless in this regard.

-S.

>Uri



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