Author: martin fierz
Date: 15:47:34 07/21/02
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On July 21, 2002 at 14:35:29, Ed Schröder wrote: >On July 21, 2002 at 14:11:51, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On July 21, 2002 at 13:38:59, john warren wrote: >> >>>. >>The thing is that I believe Rebel has recently crushed Fritz (or did I >>understand wrong?), so the question really is about results against other top >>rivals. >>S.Taylor > >I haven't heard of that, tell me all about it :) > >Personally I don't think that is possible, just have a look at the SSDF list and >how close the elo gap is between the first 10 listed entries. And if such a >crush happens it for sure is an incident based on too few games. > >Ed i think thorsten czub posted a couple of games here between rebel XP and fritz, with XP coming out as a clear winner. but they were just a few games... ed, you sure have a great chess engine. why do you have to make such strange statements on your webpage like: "Rebel is famous for its playing strength and is feared among the world top chess players, Rebel for example never lost a serious match against the top chess players of the world. Rebel until now played 4 chess matches against Super GM Arthur Yusupov (1997), Super GM Vishy Anand (1998), GM John van der Wiel (2001) and recently against top player Loek van Wely (2002) and only Super GM Loek van Wely was able to hold Rebel on a 2-2 score, Rebel won the other 3 matches. No other chess program in the world has achieved that result! " it is beyond me how you can compute an overall match result in the matches where you mixed blitz, rapid and classical chess (i mean, i understand what you do, but i don't understand why... except of course for marketing reasons). "only super GM van wely was able to hold rebel to a 2-2 score" because he had the longest time controls. probably any other chess program in the world would beat yusupov and anand in blitz matches. "The chess engine has gained +33 elo above its precursor Rebel Century 4 which is considered as a great improvement when you realize Rebel Century 4 was already rated above 2700 because of its performance against Super GM Loek van Wely. Therefore Rebel XP is estimated to play in the area of 2730-2750 elo being a Super GM itself." 33 elo? or 32? again, a statement which comes from nowhere! how did you measure the improvement in playing strength with such accuracy? given the controversy over computer ratings i'm sure everybody here would like to know... rebel century 4 is NOT rated above 2700 because of it's performance against van Wely. from a 4-game match you cannot deduce a valid elo rating. why don't you just stick to the chess part and only show the positions where rebel has improved? that's really impressive. marketing hype like the above is not. aloha martin
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