Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 16:46:20 07/21/02
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On July 21, 2002 at 18:47:34, martin fierz wrote: >i think thorsten czub posted a couple of games here between rebel XP and fritz, >with XP coming out as a clear winner. but they were just a few games... >ed, you sure have a great chess engine. why do you have to make such strange >statements on your webpage like: > > >"Rebel is famous for its playing strength and is feared among the world top >chess players, Rebel for example never lost a serious match against the top >chess players of the world. Rebel until now played 4 chess matches against Super >GM Arthur Yusupov (1997), Super GM Vishy Anand (1998), GM John van der Wiel >(2001) and recently against top player Loek van Wely (2002) and only Super GM >Loek van Wely was able to hold Rebel on a 2-2 score, Rebel won the other 3 >matches. No other chess program in the world has achieved that result! " > >it is beyond me how you can compute an overall match result in the matches where >you mixed blitz, rapid and classical chess (i mean, i understand what you do, >but i don't understand why... except of course for marketing reasons). "only >super GM van wely was able to hold rebel to a 2-2 score" because he had the >longest time controls. probably any other chess program in the world would beat >yusupov and anand in blitz matches. Two remarks: 1) the match against Yusupov was in 1997, it was played on a poor Pentium-266. At that time (1997) it was totally unclear if a chess program could win against a top GM, note that Yusupov was the world 10th player in that time. Furthermore the GM and me they negotiate a scenario where both camps think they have a chance to win the match and so it happens, thus the one with the most points wins the match. That's crystal clear from the beginning. Nobody starts to play such a match against a computer if he thinks he will lose. Anand (1998), same procedure. Note that 2 tournament games where part of the match, also Anand at that time was considered the best blitz player of the world, maybe he still is. 2) Of course a home page is meant for promoting your stuff. If you want to sell something you present the stuff you sell in a honest and attractive way. Ever heard a general saying to his soldiers, "hi guys, sorry to bother you but whenever you have the time give me a little bit fire" when the enemy is coming? No, a good general says: FIRE! >"The chess engine has gained +33 elo above its precursor Rebel Century 4 which >is considered as a great improvement when you realize Rebel Century 4 was >already rated above 2700 because of its performance against Super GM Loek van >Wely. Therefore Rebel XP is estimated to play in the area of 2730-2750 elo being >a Super GM itself." > >33 elo? or 32? again, a statement which comes from nowhere! how did you measure >the improvement in playing strength with such accuracy? given the controversy >over computer ratings i'm sure everybody here would like to know... >rebel century 4 is NOT rated above 2700 because of it's performance against van >Wely. from a 4-game match you cannot deduce a valid elo rating. > >why don't you just stick to the chess part and only show the positions where >rebel has improved? that's really impressive. marketing hype like the above is >not. The elo 33 gain was measured from a 400 games at 30 secs\move against Rebel Century4. Ed >aloha > martin
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