Author: martin fierz
Date: 18:02:54 07/21/02
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On July 21, 2002 at 19:46:20, Ed Schröder wrote: >On July 21, 2002 at 18:47:34, martin fierz wrote: > >>i think thorsten czub posted a couple of games here between rebel XP and fritz, >>with XP coming out as a clear winner. but they were just a few games... > >>ed, you sure have a great chess engine. why do you have to make such strange >>statements on your webpage like: >> >> >>"Rebel is famous for its playing strength and is feared among the world top >>chess players, Rebel for example never lost a serious match against the top >>chess players of the world. Rebel until now played 4 chess matches against Super >>GM Arthur Yusupov (1997), Super GM Vishy Anand (1998), GM John van der Wiel >>(2001) and recently against top player Loek van Wely (2002) and only Super GM >>Loek van Wely was able to hold Rebel on a 2-2 score, Rebel won the other 3 >>matches. No other chess program in the world has achieved that result! " >> >>it is beyond me how you can compute an overall match result in the matches where >>you mixed blitz, rapid and classical chess (i mean, i understand what you do, >>but i don't understand why... except of course for marketing reasons). "only >>super GM van wely was able to hold rebel to a 2-2 score" because he had the >>longest time controls. probably any other chess program in the world would beat >>yusupov and anand in blitz matches. > >Two remarks: > >1) the match against Yusupov was in 1997, it was played on a poor Pentium-266. >At that time (1997) it was totally unclear if a chess program could win against >a top GM, note that Yusupov was the world 10th player in that time. i know - i remember being surprised at the time :-) >Anand (1998), same procedure. Note that 2 tournament games where part of the >match, i know - rebel lost in .5 -1.5 the tournament games... and 2 tournament games vs 4 blitz games is a tough handicap. >2) Of course a home page is meant for promoting your stuff. If you want to sell >something you present the stuff you sell in a honest and attractive way. Ever >heard a general saying to his soldiers, "hi guys, sorry to bother you but >whenever you have the time give me a little bit fire" when the enemy is coming? >No, a good general says: FIRE! in an honest and attractive way is always good. saying that "rebel beat anand" is true if you count just points - but saying that rebel beat anand in blitz and lost in long games would be better. your page also doesn't say that the 4 matches were very different - yusupov and anand had to play blitz games, and lost the match because of them. "only van wely held rebel to a draw" is true, but he didnt have to play blitz games. i just think you have crossed the line to propaganda and i also think you don't need to do that... let the improvements speak for themselves! aloha martin
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