Author: john warren
Date: 18:22:14 07/21/02
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On July 21, 2002 at 21:02:54, martin fierz wrote: >On July 21, 2002 at 19:46:20, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On July 21, 2002 at 18:47:34, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>i think thorsten czub posted a couple of games here between rebel XP and fritz, >>>with XP coming out as a clear winner. but they were just a few games... >> >>>ed, you sure have a great chess engine. why do you have to make such strange >>>statements on your webpage like: >>> >>> >>>"Rebel is famous for its playing strength and is feared among the world top >>>chess players, Rebel for example never lost a serious match against the top >>>chess players of the world. Rebel until now played 4 chess matches against Super >>>GM Arthur Yusupov (1997), Super GM Vishy Anand (1998), GM John van der Wiel >>>(2001) and recently against top player Loek van Wely (2002) and only Super GM >>>Loek van Wely was able to hold Rebel on a 2-2 score, Rebel won the other 3 >>>matches. No other chess program in the world has achieved that result! " >>> >>>it is beyond me how you can compute an overall match result in the matches where >>>you mixed blitz, rapid and classical chess (i mean, i understand what you do, >>>but i don't understand why... except of course for marketing reasons). "only >>>super GM van wely was able to hold rebel to a 2-2 score" because he had the >>>longest time controls. probably any other chess program in the world would beat >>>yusupov and anand in blitz matches. >> >>Two remarks: >> >>1) the match against Yusupov was in 1997, it was played on a poor Pentium-266. >>At that time (1997) it was totally unclear if a chess program could win against >>a top GM, note that Yusupov was the world 10th player in that time. > >i know - i remember being surprised at the time :-) > >>Anand (1998), same procedure. Note that 2 tournament games where part of the >>match, >i know - rebel lost in .5 -1.5 the tournament games... and 2 tournament games vs >4 blitz games is a tough handicap. > >>2) Of course a home page is meant for promoting your stuff. If you want to sell >>something you present the stuff you sell in a honest and attractive way. Ever >>heard a general saying to his soldiers, "hi guys, sorry to bother you but >>whenever you have the time give me a little bit fire" when the enemy is coming? >>No, a good general says: FIRE! > >in an honest and attractive way is always good. saying that "rebel beat anand" >is true if you count just points - but saying that rebel beat anand in blitz and >lost in long games would be better. your page also doesn't say that the 4 >matches were very different - yusupov and anand had to play blitz games, and >lost the match because of them. "only van wely held rebel to a draw" is true, >but he didnt have to play blitz games. i just think you have crossed the line to >propaganda and i also think you don't need to do that... let the improvements >speak for themselves! > >aloha > martin Look Pal, Get OFF of Ed's back. He has every Right to say what was said on his Homepage, Rebel was indeed undefeated, Ed didn't lie about a single thing he said, if he wants to believe Rebel is a 2700 player that is his business, and it very well could be, since it did tie number 13 in the world at standard time controls, I don't see your problem.
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