Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 00:15:20 07/22/02
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On July 21, 2002 at 21:02:54, martin fierz wrote: >On July 21, 2002 at 19:46:20, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On July 21, 2002 at 18:47:34, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>i think thorsten czub posted a couple of games here between rebel XP and fritz, >>>with XP coming out as a clear winner. but they were just a few games... >> >>>ed, you sure have a great chess engine. why do you have to make such strange >>>statements on your webpage like: >>> >>> >>>"Rebel is famous for its playing strength and is feared among the world top >>>chess players, Rebel for example never lost a serious match against the top >>>chess players of the world. Rebel until now played 4 chess matches against Super >>>GM Arthur Yusupov (1997), Super GM Vishy Anand (1998), GM John van der Wiel >>>(2001) and recently against top player Loek van Wely (2002) and only Super GM >>>Loek van Wely was able to hold Rebel on a 2-2 score, Rebel won the other 3 >>>matches. No other chess program in the world has achieved that result! " >>> >>>it is beyond me how you can compute an overall match result in the matches where >>>you mixed blitz, rapid and classical chess (i mean, i understand what you do, >>>but i don't understand why... except of course for marketing reasons). "only >>>super GM van wely was able to hold rebel to a 2-2 score" because he had the >>>longest time controls. probably any other chess program in the world would beat >>>yusupov and anand in blitz matches. >> >>Two remarks: >> >>1) the match against Yusupov was in 1997, it was played on a poor Pentium-266. >>At that time (1997) it was totally unclear if a chess program could win against >>a top GM, note that Yusupov was the world 10th player in that time. > >i know - i remember being surprised at the time :-) > >>Anand (1998), same procedure. Note that 2 tournament games where part of the >>match, >i know - rebel lost in .5 -1.5 the tournament games... and 2 tournament games vs >4 blitz games is a tough handicap. > >>2) Of course a home page is meant for promoting your stuff. If you want to sell >>something you present the stuff you sell in a honest and attractive way. Ever >>heard a general saying to his soldiers, "hi guys, sorry to bother you but >>whenever you have the time give me a little bit fire" when the enemy is coming? >>No, a good general says: FIRE! > >in an honest and attractive way is always good. saying that "rebel beat anand" >is true if you count just points - but saying that rebel beat anand in blitz and >lost in long games would be better. your page also doesn't say that the 4 >matches were very different - yusupov and anand had to play blitz games, and >lost the match because of them. "only van wely held rebel to a draw" is true, >but he didnt have to play blitz games. i just think you have crossed the line to >propaganda and i also think you don't need to do that... let the improvements >speak for themselves! You are entitled to your opinion but you should realize that you are projecting the situation of today (blitz is a passed issue) on a period when the issue was not clear at all, in fact the majority of people at the time believed Rebel had no chance. It's like saying that Niki Lauda's racing results are meaningless because Michael Schumacher drives a lot faster. The fact that Formula-One hardware has evolved doesn't mean we should downgrade the Niki Lauda's performances, or do we? :) Ed >aloha > martin
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