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Subject: Re: To Ed - what time do Rebel10 get ?

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 04:35:25 08/09/98

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On August 07, 1998 at 08:35:31, fca wrote:

>>Ed, could you explain why Rebel9 plays all the moves Rebel10 played in the Anand
>>game (Rebel black, tournament) except for only one move? This is amazing and
>>certainly no reason to get Rebel10 when the moves are 99% the same. I know this
>>question is difficult to answer, you need sales to survive. Don't see it as an
>>attack but as a reasonable question.
>
>Of course the question is valid.
>
>1. Percentage would be (40-4-1)/(40-4) == 97%, *not* 99% (40 moves in game 7,
>first 4 from R10 book)   :-)

Erbsenzähler! ;-)

>2. You cannot know anyway as the times when R10 made the decision to switch to a
>given best move is not known.  Time allocation is complex and never
>reproducible.  permanent braiin and hash considerations make divergence more
>likely... There was no suggestion R9 would have found all those moves in the
>time actually had, or would have stuck to them.

If I check the moves with 3min/move I am sure Rebel9 won't change in tourney
game.

>3. Why select game 7 when in game 8 the divergence is more?

Is it? I haven't finished checking yet but I'll tell you the result.

>4. I no more draw conclusions from 1 game for this purpose than I try to
>evaluate ELO grade from just one game... Else R10 has ELO of 2750 from this game
>(draw) :-)) ...  All 8 games should be considered.... (oof - 2900! :-))  )

I didn't draw conclusions, it was a simple question. :-)

>5. Elsewhere Ed has posted statistics showing an overview of analysis of many
>hundreds of positions, showing (among other things) the frequencies of
>evaluations being changed by anti-GM by various amounts, or the search times, or
>the actual move chosen.  Summarising, anti-GM does seem to make quite a
>difference (good or bad is not indicated by these particular statistics :-) )
>significantly often.  Of course the type of position included in the set is
>critical, and these are I believe problem positions where you would expect
>anti-GM to perhaps be more relevant.

Hmm, then I have to look at his site, I can't remember.

>7. R10 won the match anyway, and R9 may have won it anyway on the same hardware
>is quite a possible conclusion...  If good moves would anyway be chosen by R9,
>why should R10 change them? :-)

If good moves are chosen by R9 why should I buy R10? ;-) (OK, I want Rebel to
become Windows-program) :-)

>I will be buying my R10. :-)

I am not sure. Ed, what about updates, will the update R10/DOS->R10/WIN be free?
If not, how much? If not, how much R9->R10/WIN?





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