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Subject: Re: question for programmers

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:04:45 07/24/02

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On July 24, 2002 at 09:59:04, Steffen Jakob wrote:

>On July 24, 2002 at 09:50:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 24, 2002 at 09:36:33, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On July 24, 2002 at 09:11:54, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am curious how you look at operating systems and the chess software we use,
>>>>in relation to limitations due to hardware speed increases.
>>>>
>>>>do you think the operating systems as we know them can handle the speed
>>>>increases we will see over the next few years. I would think that there is some
>>>>sort of limitation that the current operating systems could handle when pushed
>>>>running a chess program at greater speeds.
>>>>
>>>>also the same for chess programs. can the chess code, the way it is written
>>>>today, function without errors at greater speed increases. what do you see is
>>>>the limitation of our chess programs when it comes to hardware speed increases?
>>>
>>>The only thing I will say on this topic is that I know when *some* engines are
>>>getting 10M+ nps SEE and null move are going to back fire.
>>
>>I do not know it.
>>
>>null move without detecting zugzwangs is going to back fire at some speed
>>but we are not close to that speed.
>>
>>I do not believe that with 10M nodes per second null move is going to be counter
>>productive.
>>
>>>
>>>Of course, some programs like Rebel don't use null move, so they will be
>>>unaffected.
>>
>>I remember from previous post of Ed that the latest Rebel use null move pruning
>>and null move pruning is more productive at long time control(exactly against
>>your intuition and the intuition of the deep blue team).
>>
>>I believe that today Junior is the only top program that does not use null move
>>pruning.
>
>From the "CSS Sprechstunde" with Christophe Theron:
>
>"Eduard Nemeth: Is The Tiger nullmove free (genius is)? Stimmt es, dass der
>ChessTiger nullmove -frei ist, wie zB. der Genius?
>
>CT: Null move is not the major selective search algorithm of Tiger."

I did not say that null move is the only selective search algorithm of the top
programs.

I only said that all of them except Junior use null move pruning.
Genius does not use null move pruning but Genius today is not considered as a
top program.

I am also not sure about hiarcs but I believe that it is using null move
pruning.

Uri



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